How to manifest beyond vision boards: metaphysics & morality (transcript)

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Lian (00:00)

Could true manifestation be less about getting what we want and more about aligning with what is already unfolding? Hello, my beautiful souls and a huge warm welcome back. This week, I'm joined once again by my own beloved Kabbalah teacher, Weiss. Mike is a physiotherapist, counselor, university lecturer and author with many years of private practice and has now been on the show many times before.

In this episode, Mike and I explore manifestation through its deeper metaphysical roots. We touch on how morality shapes what we bring into being. The psyche as a passage between the unseen and the physical and the limits of trying to manifest from the surface of the mind alone. Together we reflect on unconscious manifestation and how it plays out all of the time.

And why bringing consciousness to that changes everything. Listen to this if you've ever questioned why vision boards only can go so far, wondered what really makes manifestation work or felt the tension between your desires and what serves something greater. And before we jump into all of that good stuff, first it's time for your weekly omen from the algorithmic oracles.

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And now back to this week's episode, let's dive in.

Lian (02:14)

Hello, Mike. A huge welcome back to the show for about the millionth time.

Mike (02:22)

I don't know how many times, but it's always good to be here with you. Thank you.

Lian (02:27)

⁓ my pleasure. And I was was chuckling to myself, actually, as I was preparing for this thinking, I don't know that we've ever done an episode. I don't mean you and I, mean, on this show ever. I don't know if I've ever done an episode on manifestation. It's not something I thought I would ever do. And yet it suddenly feels like the perfect topic and one that's been very alive. It's been something you and I have been talking about.

in our current quest in UNIO, it's all about that kind of manifestation from soul. ⁓ and so, and it's something that of course is spoken about in kind of more sort of new agey spiritual circles, a whole bunch. And it suddenly felt like, looking at this from. the deeper metaphysical truth of manifestation suddenly feels like something really juicy and also a real service because I think what's occurring to me is those of us that perhaps are going deeper on some kind of soulful spiritual path, we can, I guess, see things like manifestation as you know, irrelevant or shallow or just, you know, simply misunderstandings and dismiss it all together. And what I'm recognising more and more is understanding its real place in the metaphysical truth of reality allows us to be conscious in how we are manifesting because it of course is something we're actually doing all the time.

So I was just thinking, this is actually perfect. I never thought I'd be doing a show on manifestation and here we are. And I'm really glad to be doing it with you because we can really get into, you know, very specific metaphysical laws and principles behind manifestation.

So I'd love to begin with.

Just understanding a bit about your own journey around manifestation. I'm sure there was a point, you know, at some point where you were playing around with this notion of manifestation before you had the understanding that you have now. What did that look like?

Mike (04:51)

Hmm.

Yeah well basically quite childish, ⁓ also in my childhood time. This notion of ⁓ this universe or the existence itself being more than just like a horizontal you know manifestation of things. ⁓ so I had this idea there must be more to it.

So that's the miraculous and magical dimension to it. And that things do not just come about, they come from the unseen, whatever that is. And you need something actually to manifest it. ⁓ Whether you prevent something from manifesting or you want something to manifest. So for example, in the negative ⁓ way or connotation of manifestation,

Lian (05:26)

you

Mm-hmm.

Mike (05:51)

I would sometimes try to prevent things from happening and then I would say to myself as a kid, this is not going to happen. I only think it would be, but it will not. It's only because I think about it. So that's super simple. And yet there is something that I addressed within my own psyche that somehow unconsciously knew that the psyche itself, the world of the psyche or the soul is like a vital passageway in the manifestation from the higher unseen worlds into the world of the here and now, the physical manifestation of things. So that's one of my first experiences. ⁓ basically it's still there. So it still seems to work. Yeah.

Lian (06:50)

Hmm. Yes. So that's the, there's a couple of things that really stood out in what you've just shared that it can be, for many of us, those, there's kind of like nice breadcrumbs, like magical breadcrumbs into seeing there's something more, more at play.

Mike (06:50)

We'll be

Lian (07:12)

There is, as you say, this unseen element when it comes to this material reality, like where is it coming from? How does it come into being? there is, again, for many of us, it's that kind of stepping stone into a deeper spiritual understanding and not to be dismissed. However, there can be, I guess, ways that it doesn't work for us. because we're not understanding the full game at play, or ways that it perhaps doesn't unfold in a way that truly serves us. Again, because we're not understanding what's really happening behind the scenes. What have you noticed in either personally or in the work that you do, the ways that without really understanding...

what's truly happening with manifestation, can have these kind unforeseen results, let's say.

Mike (08:17)

Yeah, well, ⁓ first of all, what I would like to say about it as well is that when we are born, we live in a world of the manifest. But the process of manifestation is already there within the, well, the unseen worlds, we have said. Sometimes in certain tradition, you call that the metaphysical domain or the metaphysical realms. ⁓

They are the causation of manifestation, but they're also within the process of making sure that this world, this universe becomes something. So the process of manifestation is going on all the time, whether we participate in it or not consciously. And that was something that I felt on quite an early age.

Lian (08:59)

Hmm.

Mike (09:10)

And so how do you participate as a human being within that process? well, of course, ordinary life doesn't give the answers to it, or you have to have a certain spontaneous insight in how that happens. But ⁓ well, certain traditions, they do talk about it. What is the process behind the manifested world and how can you participate within it? Yeah.

Lian (09:39)

Hmm. feel as though you didn't fully answer what you said makes sense. But what I would really like to know is when we're not participating in it fully, I mean, I think there's probably different stages actually thinking about it in that there's a way that we can just see that life is just material, dead matter, and that we don't really participate in bringing the unseen into

Mike (10:05)

Yeah. ⁓

Lian (10:11)

manifest being, then we might get this kind of a sense of, I can manifest and, know, might start to play with things like laws of attraction. And then there's a kind of another part where we've truly see how we can participate. But when we're in that kind of that middle stage where we're sort of playing with the ideas of manifestation, what can you what have you seen? can go wrong in quote marks, know, they're not have the, because we lack the understanding, because that is where a lot of people are stuck. It's all, they kind of see that actually this isn't the whole game. And as I said at the beginning, kind of just dismiss the idea of manifestation altogether. So it feels like quite important stage to really understand and acknowledge before we kind of move into what's actually possible. Does that make sense?

Mike (11:07)

I think it does, again, the stage prior for physical manifestation is the world of the psyche. You you have to come up with a certain idea before it manifests. And ⁓ everything can go very well in that world, but it can also go very wrong. So for example, in magical thinking or any magical intervention to make something happen, ⁓ it's not just up to

Lian (11:19)

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mike (11:35)

the procedure how to come to something, but of course also to the intention behind it. So what do you want to manifest and for what kind of particular reason? What's the motivation behind it?

that is a question within the human condition because we manifest a lot of things all the time on difference.

Lian (12:00)

Mmm.

Mike (12:02)

know, different levels of manifestation, whether this be, ⁓ you know, culturally or politically or spiritually, we manifest a lot of things. ⁓ But there is more than neutrality to it. So we also have the moralistic side to manifestation. And that's where it's important not only to consider how to manifest it through the psyche, but

Lian (12:24)

Hmm.

Mike (12:32)

psyche is also a filter to do with morality and you know well what are you going to manifest and what motive that's very important there.

Lian (12:45)

Hmm.

Yes. Cause that's the thing. It's, we can have, ⁓ well, I've noticed actually, there can be a kind of sense of beginner's luck when it comes to people think, ⁓ I can actually manifest and can manifest really quite miraculous things. That certainly happened for me. And

As you say, there is a, there's a power here that needs to be used wisely because what can be manifest either isn't, let's say for the greater good, or isn't actually even something that is serving for the person themselves. It could well be that what we manifest comes with unforeseen consequences or limitations. It's a

Mike (13:27)

Hmm, yeah.

Lian (13:38)

Yeah, it can be a bit of a kind of Midas touch, let's say.

Mike (13:41)

Yeah, it seems to be there is a kind of safety clause built into that process of manifestation that you can almost only manifest the things that are in your range of consciousness. Although there are exceptions, of course, I mean, look at certain people who have caused major changes to the world and to humanity for the good, but also for the bad. You can see that their range ⁓

Lian (13:56)

Hmm.

Mmm.

Mike (14:10)

you know, of their extent within consciousness seems to be quite large. So what they could do, but then still you have the consideration of the morality and which is also at play. And the law of causation doesn't consider for us if it's good or bad. You know, it's just a law that you ⁓

Lian (14:28)

Hmm.

Mmm.

Mike (14:40)

you understand how it works that you can manifest and you have to consider yourself from the level of the soul they sometimes say if this is meant to be or not meant to be but yeah

Lian (14:49)

Yes.

Hmm.

So let's perhaps talk a bit about... ⁓

looking at the kind of bigger picture, and of course, there's only so much we can do justice to in the space of an episode. But looking at the, I guess, higher metaphysics that often aren't spoken about when people are talking about things like manifestation and the law of attraction, what do you see is almost always missed that is actually at play?

Mike (15:34)

Yeah, maybe good to say first of all that from a more scientific point of view, ⁓ the physical world is the world of manifestation, or is the manifested world. But in a lot of metaphysical systems, ⁓ manifestation is actually also the stages of the world prior to physical manifestation that are included within the process and in manifestation.

Lian (16:03)

Mm-hmm.

Mike (16:03)

I'll give you an example. Within Kabbalah, but in other traditions as well, they say that everything that manifests comes from the unmanifest, which in certain ideas is God. Not sometimes the God you read in the Bible, for example, but it is the unmanifest. So it is the unbeing out of which comes.

Lian (16:16)

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mike (16:32)

the whole manifested universe is more than just the totality of the physical universe and physical existence. It's also the psyche. It's also that bit strange world of metaphysics where there are laws how things come into being. So that's, think, an important point to address as we start with this. Yeah.

Lian (16:50)

Mm-hmm.

Hmm. And I guess the going back to what we were saying earlier, is helpful to bear in mind that all of this is happening all the time anyway. It's really a question of consciousness, how conscious are we? And when as we become more conscious, we therefore have choice we have we can participate in the unfolding. Which is

Mike (17:11)

Yes.

Lian (17:28)

obvious thing to say, but I think sometimes we forget that, as you said, this is happening. This manifestation ⁓ machine is happening all the time in its consciousness that gives us the opportunity to be part of that.

Mike (17:43)

Yes, exactly. Yeah.

And you said that word consciousness and often we associate consciousness our personal consciousness. But in metaphysics, for example, they say consciousness is the ground of all being. It means it is the backdrop on which the whole of existence manifests. Some people call it spirit.

Lian (18:05)

Mm-hmm.

Mike (18:09)

or have another name for it, but let's call it consciousness. So it's the ground of all being consciousness. we as human beings, we participate within that consciousness. We have the ability to tune into that consciousness and we identify with that consciousness and then we call it me. And from that me, that identity, we have the ability to participate in ⁓

Lian (18:15)

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mike (18:37)

creation and in manifestation. So ⁓ the thing is with certain of these popular well-being from science or new age ideas that you can manifest anything like out of thin air, which is a theory as possible, but it would mean that you would occupy within your consciousness the whole of the process of manifestation.

Lian (18:39)

Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Mike (19:07)

It means you have to be aware of your divinity. You have to be aware of the world of metaphysical principles, how it manifests. ⁓ Your psyche has to be known and you have to have a physical body to manifest it. So the idea just by simply saying ⁓ that the brain or the mind can manifest anything at any time, ⁓

Lian (19:11)

Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Mike (19:35)

goes only so far as your consciousness reaches, because the consciousness is the agent through which the mind can be used to manifest something in the body. Shall I give you a very simple example? Sure. Yeah.

Lian (19:40)

Yes.

I just want to clarify something before you do because there is a distinction I think is really helpful to bear in mind as we're journeying with this because there's a difference between, I think you said, knowing oneself as divine and this is the difference between having that understanding that we're all divine versus it being this embodied moment to moment truth.

which is beyond most of our imagination. It isn't just this idea of it, it's a lived experience, which is not very average.

Mike (20:28)

It's not.

No exactly. And yeah so if for example I would unconsciously or consciously think about happy things, I would feel happy. Not just psychologically but also physically I could feel happy. And this happens because... Yeah exactly.

Lian (20:33)

So you do go on.

Hmm.

you know, in terms of hormonal level, like nervous system response.

Mike (20:58)

Yeah, exactly. So that is a manifestation in the interaction between the psyche and the body. And it happens in the now, like you said, it happens every moment. So all these processes, whether it's good for us or not, are happening all the time. But it's the manifestation of the psyche in cooperation with the body. But not knowingly, for most of us, we don't

Lian (21:05)

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mike (21:28)

we are not aware of the principles behind it. That's the metaphysical dimension behind that, behind those worlds of the manifestation. So we are using that possibility all the time. Most of it is unconscious and is in accord with the laws of the universe. And we should be happy about it because otherwise we have to

Lian (21:31)

Mmm.

Mmm.

Hmm. ⁓

Mike (21:56)

consider everything and be conscious of every action that happens spontaneously in the body. Like, you your blood pressure or your breathing is a manifestation of the organism itself. ⁓ So to manifest things outside of the natural world and habitation of what we have, you need to be also acquainted with that world.

Lian (22:11)

Hmm.

Mmm.

Mike (22:26)

So outside of the psyche and outside of the bodily world.

Lian (22:32)

Hmm.

Mike (22:32)

That is something that is not always considered. So if you want to manifest these stupid examples about manifesting more money or a car, ⁓ that again, it is in theory, it's possible to do it. ⁓ But in most magical traditions, they say you better work for it because ⁓ it's easier to earn the money.

than to manifest it through the human psyche. Because you need a lot of skill actually, and not just psychological skill, to manifest such things.

Lian (23:03)

Mmm. Yes.

Hmm. And I guess the more we understand the workings ⁓ of all that's at play, ⁓ it seems to me it follows that we will both be working to manifest something at that psyche level, but also taking actions in the world to bring it into, you know, is a continuation of the same thread. We will act upon that in a way that it does bring it into fruit in this physical world too.

Mike (23:50)

Yeah, definitely. I mean, the way that we feel, we act upon it. And not just unconsciously, but consciously if you have a realisation or you have an intention, and that's the way that you act upon it. That's very important part of any spiritual tradition, and even within religion, is how do you participate in life.

Lian (23:55)

Mmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mike (24:18)

in a way that you contribute to it, in a good way, in a spiritual way. So no, it's completely true. Manifestation is also the action, the law of karma within the world. Yeah.

Lian (24:21)

Hmm

Yes.

Hmm. Yeah.

So looking at this from what's taking place when ⁓ people engage in this notion, like they are thinking, ⁓ I can manifest and start to do practices of, you know, could be affirmations or vision boards or anything. And it seems to me largely what's happening

And it does work to an extent because they're using, if we look at this again from a Kabbalah perspective, they're kind of on that lower part of the tree and thinking things at that kind of identity level that does trickle down, does have an impact. And yet it's limited to what, as you said, they're already conscious of. ⁓

There's also going to be kind of all sorts of factors that they're not conscious of that sort of like that are going to be working potentially against that. And not least the fact is not necessarily aligned with what we might call their soul or self with a capital S. But again, it can work because it still is using that last part of the process in a way that does work. It just has a limited impact.

Mike (25:57)

It does, yeah. That would be indeed the difference between conscious participation in manifestation and unconscious participation in it. Because from the unconscious everything happens anyway. But, you know, in certain ⁓ streams of thought and metaphysical traditions you are interested in how do I contribute to this life.

Lian (26:05)

Hmm.

Hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mike (26:26)

and maybe in a devotional way to the source. How does the source wish to manifest and how do I want to participate in it? And then you need more than just unconsciously go with the flow of manifestation. You want to know how does this come about and what may be the intention of this holy source, this sacred source to come into manifestation. For example, within the Kabbalah,

Lian (26:34)

Mmm.

Mm-hmm.

Hmm

Mike (26:54)

The highest world of divinity is the world of wholeness and perfection and ⁓ perfect equilibrium, if you will. ⁓ So those are pointers for us if you want to participate in manifestation, is that that is your core intention. And within the psyche, you want to bring everything within you and in relationship to the world in a state of healing.

Lian (27:04)

Mm-hmm.

Hmmmm

Mike (27:24)

and balance and harmony.

And that's like a leading thought, a magical thought, if you like, within that process. And then even then you don't know maybe how it comes about. So the metaphysical domain and how those principles work may not be known to you. But still from the psyche, you may have this clear intention, I am of service to something greater. And I use this particular consciousness, this quality of healing, for example, of wholeness.

Lian (27:31)

Hmm.

Mike (27:58)

to bring it into the physical domain of manifestation.

Lian (28:05)

Hmm. Yes, there's, ⁓ there's so much there. And I was, I was thinking that's actually the biggest, let's say before and after, you know, manifestation done from this kind of new agey way of, ⁓ interacting with it versus this deeper understanding. The biggest shift is why you're doing it, what you're aligning with, what you're in service to, what you're devoting to. And.

My own experience of that too, not just personally, but also in my work with others is when we are, I'm picturing it a bit like this sort of stream of energy. It's like we are in alignment with what's flowing down already. And it seems like these things happen in a far smoother way.

North Star is unity, let's say. It flows down into what we want to manifest that is already kind of aligned with how manifestation wants to come into existence anyway. It's not particularly a neat way of saying it, but that's, can feel it and I can't quite describe it.

Mike (29:19)

I follow you.

Yeah, No, no, it makes sense. ⁓ you say something, well, everything you say is important, but that one word alignment is something I use in my first book, ⁓ addressing these kind of ideas about manifestation. How does the human psyche participate in the manifested process or the process of manifestation? And ⁓ what I say ⁓ in regard to the Kabbalah is that

Lian (29:41)

Mm-hmm.

Mike (29:54)

to really manifest something full consciously, everything within you has to be aligned to the process and the intention. So it cannot be that your feelings and your cognition, your head wants something completely different, or the body. So different worlds that contain the different parts of your being, they need to be consistently within alignment

Lian (30:04)

Hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mike (30:23)

with the intention and to the will of what you want to manifest. And that's quite something because most of the time, you know, our motives are all over the place. Or you may have a concentration of something that you want and it may go out of the window within five minutes. That's a big challenge for us. And that's in contrast to often how they describe the divine will, which is like

Lian (30:28)

Hmm.

Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Yes, absolutely.

Mike (30:53)

like a straight line down and it doesn't waver. That is just the concentration of Divine will of manifesting everything as it should be. you know, imagine that this existence, universe is exactly as it is and it maintains the way it is also in living process because the Divine has its concentration always on how this should be. It's an amazing thing.

Lian (30:56)

Hmmmm ⁓

Yes.

That's...

The importance of what I might name as focus is more than focus, but I think putting it in simple words is that ability to sort of focus on what it is that is aligned to manifest and we want to manifest. My sense is that's becoming an even rarer skill in today's world where our awareness is being pulled here, there and everywhere all of the time.

It's easy to miss the very real impact of that when we're not even consciously aware of where our awareness is, where our focus is. It's going be really challenging to have that aligned ⁓ flow into, into manifestation. And I was considering how. again, even if it's like a bit like the baby slopes of learning to manifest again in that new age way, at least it does kind of start to show someone how to place their focus into one place, even if it's just for a few minutes. But I was also thinking, you know, whether it be in ⁓ like, say, for example, in the shamanic work that I've done, or it could be for someone else, more kind of esoteric work.

prayer, these ways of learning to align our focus, I think is something that we really could benefit from reclaiming. How on earth we can really manifest in alignment with our souls whilst our attention is being pulled here, there and everywhere. It's one of those things that I'm like, my gosh, this is This is actually more of a challenge than it ever has been, but possibly.

Mike (33:20)

Yeah,

I agree. I mean, a few times in the history of my Kabbalah group, I would give the people the next two weeks, the idea of now let's practice, for example, compassion or loving kindness could also be justice. So keep the focus that straight line on this intention. And how does it work out? How does it manifest?

Lian (33:37)

Mm-hmm.

Mike (33:49)

through your actions, your thoughts, your feelings, etc. And you can see how challenging it is and how often and how quickly we are actually diverted from that idea. And that we manifest all kinds of things all the time and we return very quickly to the unconscious process of manifestation, which happens automatically through the body and the ordinary psyche.

Lian (34:02)

Hmm.

Hmm.

Mike (34:18)

That's the spiritual challenge there, is to focus on that one thing that you wish to, from an intention to manifest. And you know, the level from which we depart in the psyche says everything about our own level of spiritual development. So if you want to have more money or a new car, whatever, you know where you are, you see. And that service of working with

Lian (34:20)

Mmm.

Yes.

Mmm.

Mike (34:48)

higher ⁓ psychological principles like loving-kindness or beauty, ⁓ that's a different level of trying to manifest something and to practice how to co-create with divinity. it takes intention, but it takes all the art of imagination. And I want to say this with some emphasis because

Lian (34:59)

Mmm. ⁓

Hmm.

Mike (35:16)

of what you said in these times, we are not being very much invited to creatively participate in manifestation, especially not through social media, computers and everything, because the images are being created for us and it goes so quick. We are not being invited to train our focus for extended amount of time.

Lian (35:27)

Mmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Mike (35:43)

So it's not most of what technology brings us, it's not helping us at all in the process of manifestation. Look at AI and chat GPT, you know, it's being done for us. ⁓

Lian (35:51)

Hmm

Yes, I read an interesting study. I'm not going to quote this particularly accurately because I can't quite remember the details, but it was something along the lines of it took two groups of people who had to do some kind of task. Let's say it was writing an email or something along those lines or an article. And one group could use AI, let's say, I don't know what form it was, and one didn't. And so the group that could use AI initially performed better, as in, I think the idea was they would use AI as assistance, but then ultimately kind of write the thing themselves, and the other group didn't. And so the AI assisted group initially performed better. What was really interesting is then kind of go on another couple of weeks. then performing the same test, the people who had had the assistance of AI then no longer had the assistance of AI, they then performed worse than the group that never had the assistance of AI. And I was like, my gosh, this is an experiment that's happening in the world at large right now. Quite a chilling experiment that says so much and completely supports what you're saying there.

Mike (37:02)

course.

Yep.

very much.

Lian (37:18)

Well, I was, you read my mind actually, because I was pondering as you were talking about the way that, you know, even keeping our focus on something like loving kindness for two weeks can be such a challenge. I was pondering how noticing where we naturally are drawn, noticing what we're naturally drawn to.

⁓ can be a really helpful way to not just begin, but go deeper with. And as you know, beauty is one of my sort of deepest values, devotions, something that has been like this North Star for me to return to over and over again in my life. And as I've been able to connect with that in a more like a...

Mike (38:04)

Yeah.

Lian (38:12)

a spiritual way, a conscious way, to a large extent, almost everything I manifest comes back to beauty. And so it's this meta principle, a meta alignment that then flows into anything else I might focus on.

I feel that's often the case for others, but it's uncovering what is that for me? And it's not something ⁓ necessarily that our culture says it's okay to value. You for me, getting to a point where I could say, actually, beauty has been something that's so dismissed, made shallow, objectified. ⁓

And yet it's for me, one of the most important, most potent ⁓ truths of all. And as I've been able to really honor that as something that is important to me, it's allowed me to hold my focus onto things that otherwise I think I would have struggled to. It kind of has this magnetic draw for my focus.

Mike (39:30)

Hmm.

Yeah.

Lian (39:33)

I'd love to hear your sense as to first of all, what that is for you if you have that kind of North Star, but also why you see that that can have that impact.

Mike (39:45)

Yeah, well from the Kabbalistic tree and its mystical philosophy, ⁓ they might say for example that the diagram itself is a representation of who you are and you are coming from that image and likeness of the divine. And that's not just Kabbalah, that's also old Greek thinking, Gnostic thinking. You are made in a certain heavenly image and that

Lian (39:58)

Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Mike (40:13)

image is complete and total, it's whole, but when you are being born you feel not whole, ⁓ but some spark from that body manifests through the manifestation of your body, and if you remember it you may know what your destiny is, that's an idea, I'm not saying this is true but this is a Kabbalistic concept, and for example in your case

Lian (40:17)

Hmm.

Mm. Mm-hmm.

Mike (40:43)

Tifa Red, which is the heart chakra, the yellow circle on the diagram, ⁓ is literally means beauty or adornment, to make life more beautiful, to adore ⁓ the creation itself. So it might be that this principle for you indeed returns over and over again. And it takes conscious observation and meditation to find out what is your

Lian (40:52)

Mm-hmm.

Mike (41:13)

core business here. ⁓ well, for me, ⁓ it's not per se the beauty aspect of Tiferet but ⁓ I am also quite stuck to Tiferet and the middle pillar in general. That's how I feel that I have to function. And I don't know if I told you personally once, but ⁓ my name as Michael ⁓ is for me always a reference to what I'm doing here.

Lian (41:14)

Hmm.

Mike (41:43)

So that's my line of focus, my alignment to what I need to manifest. This can go through teaching, but it can also be in daily life. How do I keep the center when there is chaos or when there is disturbance or whatever it is within me or maybe around me? So that's definitely, and it's a major help. It's like an anchor. If you can find that,

Lian (41:43)

you

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Mike (42:12)

that focal point and that principle.

Lian (42:15)

Yes, yes, I completely agree. It's, it's then when you notice it most actually, isn't it? It's when it's, when you're challenged, when it's harder to choose that as the focus, that it's most helpful of all to have that, that North Star that's, you know, always just about see it's light. Hmm.

Mike (42:36)

Yeah, exactly. And often you find that there lies your strength, but you're also being tested upon it.

Lian (42:44)

Yes. Yes, absolutely. As I always say, the medicine's in the wound, that therefore, yeah, we have to acknowledge there is often a wound, there's darkness, shadow. I just, we're almost up on time, actually, unbelievably, but just as we're talking about this in a more personal way.

Mike (42:48)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I noticed.

Lian (43:11)

This is where I see the role of, let's say, astrology can be so helpful in giving us these nudges to what that North Star is for us. As you know, I've got so much of my charts in Libra and is Venus ruled and of course, so linked to beauty. And so it's not that it was, finding that out. ⁓ right. Okay. I need to now direct my whole life around beauty. was just that kind of, I guess, further validation and clarity and depth that allowed me to really see, yes, is everywhere I look, this is reflected back at me. This is who I am is reflected back at me. ⁓

And I've noticed that's the same, not just for me, but for others that I've worked with in this deep way, that the clues of what that deepest devotion is can often be seen. again, when we're in bringing it back to the topic at hand, when we're in alignment with that, manifestation just seems to flow so much more. I don't even want to say easily, because sometimes it's not easily, sometimes again, it's, you know, we need to meet these gauntlets.

but we can feel the alignment and it does feel as though almost life is colluding for this to happen. But I'd love to hear your sense as to kind of the way that this can be reflected back to us again via astrology or other means.

Mike (44:44)

Yeah,

no, no, definitely. mean, astrology is a great help as a tool to find out what is your business here and how you are able to manifest ⁓ what is in line with your destiny. And of course, destiny is not just something in your chart that's being ⁓ like predetermined. You still have free will to investigate it, to research it and to find out what it really means.

Lian (45:07)

Mm-hmm.

Mike (45:12)

And course it's not static, it can also develop throughout time. ⁓ So yeah, and Kabbalah uses it according to the tree. So that's very important, definitely. ⁓ And yeah, if you know what your core is, you know that, or you can find out at least, that certain things manifest, like I said before, by themselves. So again,

Lian (45:40)

Mmm. ⁓

Mike (45:42)

the natural world, the earth here and all its creatures, including your own body. It doesn't need any help with manifestation other than that we care for it with sleep and food, but it manifests, it dies and it grows by itself and all these things and a part of the psyche as well. So it is from a certain like point, like a Pegasus point where ⁓ the natural world is at its peak.

where the spiritual world, the higher psychological world begins. It's from there that we are talking about now. That's where astrology comes in very handy to see where it doesn't just develop out of itself, manifestation, how can we uplift evolution from that subtle domain of the psyche and the spirit. Because otherwise

Lian (46:16)

Mmm.

Mmm.

Mike (46:41)

that kind of evolution of manifestation doesn't happen. We remain in the circle of ongoing patterns within the manifestation of the physical and partially psychological world. I hope that makes sense what I'm saying.

Lian (46:44)

Mm-hmm.

Yes, it does. does.

So perhaps to close, given we've spent much of this conversation in more kind of mystical realms and not necessarily the kind of practical here's how to manifest. I said it was slightly tongue in cheek. I'd quite like to end there. You know, it was almost like how to manifest 101.

What would you suggest to listeners might be, again, bearing in mind everything we've said, that there's a vital need for alignment, focus, that deeper understanding of who we are, but assuming someone has that devotion, how might they then more consciously participate in manifestation?

Mike (47:52)

Well, the cliche of course is like keep practicing. you have to come try to all the time like prayer or meditation is to ⁓ to put energy and emphasis and consciousness behind the process. So any of the listeners like we had our example of beauty and the heart center at the center of balance. But

Lian (48:10)

Mmm. ⁓

Mike (48:19)

any of the listeners may have a different idea about what their spiritual business is about, so to speak, ⁓ is to not just keep it as an internal process, but to see how do I engage with it in daily life. So within the supermarket, how do I apply it ⁓ and how do I ⁓ strengthen by application?

Lian (48:36)

Mm-hmm.

Mike (48:48)

my own relationship to what I think is the way that I manifest through my authentic self. Because there's a saying, is that who you are is what you do and what you do is who you become. So the point of departure is always yourself and not the world. And this is also in a metaphysical sense of the word, know, God becomes out of itself.

Lian (48:57)

Hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mike (49:17)

So the condition is not the world, it is itself. try always to make yourself the point of departure of the manifestation with just one word like beauty and see from day to day how can I manifest this? How can I make a conversation more beautiful or the way that I smile to other people, whatever it is.

Lian (49:29)

Mm-hmm.

Mike (49:47)

So that's why I say keep practicing. It is a way of application. I hope that resonates with your question.

Lian (49:53)

Mmm.

Yes, it absolutely does. does. really does.

And again, ⁓ recognising that our modern world is, I don't mean this in a necessarily ⁓ kind of conspiracy theory way, but just as a genuine looking out there truth, right now, this modern world isn't set up in a way to make that happen by itself. This really is a conscious choosing, a different way of orientating in life.

Mike (50:30)

definitely. Yeah. Because the world that we are living in, which evolves and manifests through itself, ⁓ a lot of the society that we live in is not inviting us to become conscious ⁓ participants within the creative process of manifestation at all. ⁓ it makes, I mean it in the same intention as you said, it makes like sleepwalkers out of us. We are just part of

Lian (50:45)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Hmm.

Mike (51:00)

a machine, of a mechanism. And yeah, you don't have to be any participant in conspiracy theories for that, but it's just the way it is. That's what a society is. And you do your thing in accord with society and with the group, but not within your individual development in relation to the source.

Lian (51:12)

Yeah.

Hmm.

Mike (51:28)

And that is the crucial thing, because there you start to consider how do I manifest ⁓ from my own consciousness and conscious intention.

Lian (51:39)

Yes, yeah, beautiful. Well, that was a kind of, not exactly a pun, I didn't mean to say beautiful then, but it was a perfect ending. Where can listeners find out more about you and your wonderful work Mike?

Mike (51:51)

⁓ It did.

Thank you. Well, my websites, ofcourse. So the main one is Circle of Avalon, just one word, .nl. It's from the Netherlands, but it's all in English. And KabbalahMysticalSchool.com. And you can find me on Facebook under my own name, Mike Bais or Circle of Avalon. And a bit of that on Instagram as well. But that's the main thing. My books, yeah.

Lian (52:21)

of course your books.

Mike (52:25)

Yeah, my Kabbalah book, the latest one is Paths on the Tree of Wisdom published by Watkins last year. And ⁓ it's for sale basically everywhere online. And my older books are self-published and they are, I'd say a bit more for the ⁓ experienced Kabbalist because there I extend upon topics to do with science like ⁓ biology and quantum physics on a certain level and ⁓ neuroplasticity. So I touch upon a few things that we were talking about as well. Yeah.

Lian (52:58)

Mm.

Yeah, but certainly your more recent book is a great place for someone to start if they're interested in vocabulary and ⁓ yeah, I think it would be a really nice next step. Wonderful, thank you so much. Again, Mike.

Mike (53:11)

I would say so.

Thank you. It was lovely to be here again. Thank you.

Lian (53:22)

Yeah, likewise.

Lian (53:23)

What a glorious show. Here are the parts that are going to stay with me. The psyche is the filter through which manifestation flows, shaping not only what we want, but also why we want it. Alignment across body, psyche and soul is what transforms scattered wishing into true creation that actually can exist in this physical world.

In a culture designed to scatter our attention, focus and devotion, become the North Star that allow manifestation to serve something greater. And if you'd like the links for this show, they're at BeMythical.com/podcast/521.

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