How to reclaim the Feminine: The Mother, the Virgin, the Whore (transcript)

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Lian (00:00)

What if the true feminine doesn't begin with a maiden, as is often said, but with a mother? Hello, my beautiful mythical old souls and a huge warm welcome back. In this conversation, I'm joined by the wonderful Coco Oya Cienna-Rey Coco is the author of Digging for Mother's Bones from Womancraft Publishing. Coco is a mother, grandmother, mystic, soul guide, writer and creative

whose work is deeply rooted in her devotion to the tantric path and the long courageous journey she's walked. Together, Coco and I explore the profound journey from trauma to remembrance, from collapse to creative power. We trace the raw mythic arc of a woman silenced by pain who is reborn through the arms of the great mother. This conversation moves like an initiation, stirring deep memory in the body and revealing the erotic mystical core of the feminine.

Coco shares the story behind the birth of her book, a journey that begins with abuse and mental illness and unfolds through a spontaneous Kundalini awakening, a near death experience and a long path of integration. This is a conversation that speaks to the place in each of us that longs to feel, to open, to receive, to remember that we are not only enough. We are the very axis of life itself.

And before we jump into all of that good stuff, if you're struggling with the challenges of walking your soul path in this crazy modern world and would benefit from guidance, kinship and support, come join our Academy of the Soul, UNIO. You can find out more and join us by hopping over to be mythical.com slash UNIO now or click the link in the description. And now,

back to this week's episode, let's dive in.

Lian (01:55)

Hello, Coco, welcome to the show.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (01:59)

Thank you so much, Lian It's a privilege. It feels really good to be here.

Lian (02:04)

⁓ it really does. And I really hope listeners are getting to take in your gloriousness on video because you look absolutely radiant. And I'm very aware that whilst this is a conversation that in theory we could be having any time, it feels something very important and symbolic to mention like today is the day of your birth of your book.

And I feel like I want to mention that just at the outset, just to really welcome in that energy of celebration and that being birthed into the world. So I just wanted to mention that before we even go anywhere else, because it feels so important to do so.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (02:49)

Thank you so much. It really feels kind of surreal that this is like my life going through this portal of birthing a book We'll talk more about why that is as we go on. But yeah, it's a really key, important threshold

Lian (02:56)

Yeah. I can I can so feel that. So my dear, where did all of this come from? What brought you to writing this book?

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (03:20)

What brought me to writing the book was a lot of questions. I had a lot of questions. I grew up in a very turbulent household. There was a lot of chronic abuse, ⁓ sexually, physically, mentally, emotionally. And as a child, I never felt like I fit in and I couldn't understand why there was so much trauma and abuse. I couldn't understand how we accepted that as normal behaviour when I knew that we'd come from the stars and a place to come to a place of love. And so I was always like the black sheep of the family, the one that was always seen as causing chaos because I'd call it out all the time. And over a period of time, I began to lose my voice

Lian (04:08)

Mmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (04:13)

I became mute because of the trauma and abuse and being like gaslight so much. And so I kind of stuffed it all away because everyone wants that sense of belonging, right? We want to belong to our families and things. So I kind of put it all away and just began to act like, you know, that that was the norm and accepted it as the norm. And it wasn't until I met the kid's father and told him and I met him when I was very young, I him when I was 13, that he was kind of saying that's not normal.

Lian (04:18)

Mmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (04:46)

that it's not normal to live like that. And so by the time I got to 15, I thought I'm out of here. I cannot tolerate that anymore. But I didn't realise that just walking away wouldn't solve the thing. So for many, many years, I was classified as bipolar, having severe mental illness, anxiety.

I had agoraphobia for a long while because I just became so detached from my sense of self and sense of being. And then ⁓ some years later, I had a spontaneous Kundalini awakening. I wasn't spiritual in any way. I had no idea what was happening. It was a casual Sunday afternoon in the garden with family and friends. And then suddenly I just kept hearing this booming noise and I had no idea and no one else could hear it. And when I traced what it was, it was a drop of water dropping on the floor from a drip and it just like exploded me out into the stratosphere. Yeah, it was a lot.

Lian (06:08)

Wow, I've got chills. I've heard so many stories of kind of incredible, mystical ⁓ openings and near-death experiences. You know, I've kind of had something of that myself. But what you've just described that just complete out of the blue. ⁓ That's something else. Wow.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (06:31)

Yeah.

Now, when I look here, I was in so much bliss and joy that day. was like I was so present that it was just like all timelines collided into one. Because I have no idea of what this was. What happened was all my claire's came on and I could hear people's thoughts, people from miles away, sense things. And I thought I would, I thought I'd lost my mind. And so did my family, because I was gibbering.

Lian (06:41)

Mmm.

Mmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (07:00)

then as well talking. Now I know the divine feminine language and nobody understood what was happening. So I kind of got sectioned at that time. And then, but something in my awareness was like, I need to again, push this aside and act normal. And so if you can imagine that accumulation of all that trauma, all that abuse just, it just practically overwhelmed me for like 10 years after that. And then I had what I call another awakening where through not wanting to be here, because I couldn't understand what was happening, I was so detached from my body, ⁓ just living in my head. And so I always say that my soul was like whispering to me and it was like a cosmic journey of… we're going to have to turn her off because she just is not getting it. And that day when I wanted to die. It wasn't like a conscious thing. I just knew that that's what was going to happen. And I can remember laying on the bed and feeling my soul leave my body. And the part of the story that I love now is that my best friend who lived in Canada, I'm in the UK, felt that happening and set in motion my rescue. And so, yeah.

Lian (08:29)

my gosh.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (08:31)

And so again, it was confirmation of there is no time and space, you know, and it wasn't my time to go. And so when I crossed over and met the mother, and this always makes me want to cry every time I this story, because I have never felt love like that in my life. I felt so unloved throughout my life that to feel the presence of pure love, no judgment was like the healing balm that I needed. And when the cosmic mother was like talking to me around, it's not my time to go, I've got things to do, but there is no judgment if I want to go, my soul will journey into somebody else and the story will continue. And so when I came back, it was like, no, I want to come back and I want to understand. But when I came back, I'd lost a lot of my memories and stories. It was like I'd been rebooted and wiped clean. And so it was a journey to remember who I was. So that's when I started journaling to really get answers. And that's how the book began to be birthed. I didn't know it was going to be a book. I was just writing the journal to understand myself, to try and remember times of what had happened in my life and make sense of what had happened in my life. And then ⁓ through that rehabilitation the messages started getting more prophetic and the force in me to write, I'd get up in the middle of the night and be scribing and scribing. And then my daughter could come back from school and say, mum, you've not moved. You're like, you still there? I was just And even then I didn't know that it was going to be a book. But I called out to the mother and just said that if I'm meant to be here then send me help now because I'm not doing this on my own and ⁓ yeah someone came in the form of a teacher who helps me understand the suicidal ideation was around ego death and that the reason I kept collapsing on myself like with depression was because my system was so big that it was like

it just collapsed on it kept collapsing on itself because I didn't know how to hold the capacity of that amount of energy and power in my body. So it was a long process of like four years learning to really get back in my body, understand the technology of the female form, particularly the womb, particularly the pussy power. And that is the seat of the power in me and ⁓ understanding then that

Lian (11:07)

you

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (11:29)

this force of nature that's in me, this sensual, de-sexual sensual thing which ⁓ used to terrify me as a child because it wanted attention, was my medicine and is the fuel that I needed to really embrace and embody and ⁓ understanding that I had a big job to do. It's one of the most distorted energies the planet. It's been, you know, overlaid with lots of different patterns and beliefs around it being sinful, ⁓ lust, distortion, all the way through to rape. You know, there's lots of ⁓ just distortions around our sexual energy. It's the most purest energy that there is. And so my job was to remember that as a erotic, innocent impulse, that just that pure sense of pure love and light that lives in the body that is pure bliss. And so, ⁓ yeah, I kind of feel like writing about my history in such a way in the book and feeding it in with the messages from the mother around how we can turn that around and how we can be in the body in ⁓ a loving way where we understand that we are master creators and that creative energy that creates life is the thing that fuels us. ⁓ Yeah, it's been a journey and, you know, I'm really excited that it's, you know, it's here now. It feels surreal that it's here now.

but and I also need a really good rest. I feel like, yeah. ⁓

Lian (13:24)

Yes, bless you. Just like when a mother's given birth, like we need some time to just be there and be fed and looked after. Yes. my gosh. Well, firstly, congratulations again. I can, my gosh, now knowing more about your story, I can feel even more how important this is today. My goodness. Thank you so much for sharing that. There's part of me, I feel like I want to know more about aspects of your story actually, before we kind of go into the topic, just because there was just so many parts of this that were like, my goodness, wow. And another part that was just like, like again, I hear so many, many magical, incredible stories, but there's so much of yours that just has been really kind of always left me speechless at points. So.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (14:06)

Mm.

Lian (14:17)

And one of the points that really stood out was when you were saying about your best friend in Canada, think you said, knowing that that was happening for you. Would you mind just sharing a little bit more about, know, you sort of said it was like you sort of lay down and just knew that that was what was going to happen. Had you had you done something, you know, as in like, in a practical, literal sense, had you done something to, you know, was that your intention that day?

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (14:23)

you

Lian (14:47)

What do you think went on for your friend that she realised that? It feels like so much in that day that I would love to know bit more about.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (14:58)

So leading up to that day, I don't think I'd spoken to my family, any of my children or my family or my friends for about a week. I'd like done tiny little messages and I can remember like four days before that my daughter was checking it, are you all right? Me saying, yeah, I'm just in my cave kind of thing. But I knew something was happening. I'd never gone that inside myself so much. it was a sense of. I am so alone. I am so unloved, even though everybody loved me. Do you know what? I couldn't feel it. And I'd gone through, ⁓ yes, some really pretty bad breakups just before that, not just in a relationship, but with friends who kind of turned on me. It was like the sisterhood. And I just got to a point where I just thought, I am tired of being here. How ⁓ can my life be so painful?

Lian (15:30)

Hmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (15:55)

How could it have been so traumatic? I am done and I can remember like crying out to God saying, you promised me that when I came here, I was coming to a land of like milk and honey and like going, this is hell and I'm out. I am out of here. I'm gone. ⁓ And I can just remember like being in this surreal kind of state of like.

I crossed over into a place where I just suddenly, when I declared that, like, ⁓ I was really calm. And I started packing away my belongings, like, so that if the kids found me, I know this sounds really like, that they knew where everything was. And then I can just remember lying on the bed. But then what happened was the phone never stopped ringing. The kids were trying to ring me. My friend tried to ring me. ⁓ The kids dad tried to ring me and we've been separated for like 10 years. just like what? Can you just leave me to die? And I remember ignoring the call and just lying there. And like no I'm not answering anybody. ⁓ And the funny thing is I knew they could feel me because when I get close to people and like my kids it's like

Lian (16:59)

Hehehehehe

you

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (17:21)

We've had the same dreams together before and we've like experienced certain things and we've gone, ⁓ are you experiencing that today? So I knew they could feel that something was going on, but I wasn't having any of it. ⁓ to that day, I cannot remember if I took anything or if I just lied there and willed myself to death because as I felt myself,

Lian (17:44)

Mmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (17:46)

like being drained of life it was the most peaceful thing I've ever felt in my life. But as I said, as it started, could feel myself coming out of my self my friend, dear, friend, obviously felt she just found my kids on the social media because she didn't have their number and just said, there is something wrong with your mum, I can feel it. And then my, instead of trying to ring me, my kids rang. the police and yeah.

Lian (18:18)

Oh wow. Bless your friend and bless your children for just like, I mean, isn't that an example of trusting that feminine wisdom in itself? Yeah.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (18:27)

Mm-hmm. Yeah, and so that's the thing, but not just feminine wisdom, the capacity of what we are as humans, we are telepathic, and we communicate through senses and through emotion. And ⁓ to me, it was like that heightened state of remembrance for me after, as much as I was annoyed, I was also like...

Lian (18:36)

Mmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (18:52)

There was a part of me that was grateful, like, oh, there is no time and space. Do you know what I mean? We are so connected. And it brought back that seed of love. Because in that moment when I can remember being on the bed and then hearing the door being crashed in and the police starting in my room and leaning over me. And I looked up and was just, I couldn't speak. you know, asking did I take something that hurt and I could not speak. And then ⁓ I remember the paramedics being there and then the whole of the family being there and just being so overwhelmed and then just being like lifted up to the hospital. And I can remember getting to the hospital and them wanting to section me and I just it was like my whole senses came back on and I just said, no, I need to go home. And I can't remember meeting the mother in that specific point, but I remember being in, like, encased in the womb of her. And so the night when they let me go home, I remember laying again on the bed again and just thinking, my God, what is going on? And then feeling that same energy just descend in me and feeling like the mother

Lian (20:00)

Hmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (20:19)

had me held in her arms and I went back to being a tiny child, to being a newborn. was like again, she just wiped me clean. in that moment, I just knew that I was love, I am loved and I'm here for a bigger purpose. And so that's how the journey with really tuning into the mother. But again, I would say that there was a part of me that wasn't best pleased because it was like, right, if I'm back here now, then we need to get to it because I am not doing this anymore. need to understand exactly what's at play here. Why am I feeling all this stuff? Why do I feel like I feel the whole universe? Why does what is going on with my life?

Lian (20:58)

Hehehehehe

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (21:11)

And that's when the journaling started and the messages understanding of the potency of the rising of the feminine and ⁓ understanding that I had gone through so much trauma and pain so that I could understand the full human experience from joy to pain. And really understanding that as ⁓

Lian (21:34)

Mmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (21:39)

a priestess that I came back to help rewrite the sexual wounds of the planet because it is our innate life force that has been corrupted in so many ways.

And like I said, in that moment I was like declaring, then I need help to understand how it works, how I work, how it works. And that's when Yeah, someone came in the form of a teacher and helped me to really understand ego death in a big way, ⁓ clearing ancestral wounding in a big way, understanding the technology of the female form, my womb and my pussy and just the capacity of that to create life, but not just a baby life, the fabric of life.

Lian (22:34)

Mm, everything, absolutely everything. So as we as we were talking before we hit record, I was asking you kind of what is it that you see is, I guess, particular to your work and your book and your message? Having given you that context, you know, there's been many conversations on the show about all things the feminine. And as soon as you started talking and you mentioned

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (22:36)

and everything.

Lian (23:03)

the mother, I was like, ⁓ you know, already I'm kind of like, yes, yes, yes, almost like whatever you say after this, I'm in. And it sounds a funny thing in a way, because it's like, whoa, isn't that like something that's been talked about lot? It has. And yet, ⁓ as I was sharing with you, I find it fascinating that for all of the things that are said and written about and spoken about to do with the feminine, the divine feminine. It's funny how the mother actually is probably the least spoken about. even to the point where, and I'm not saying like, this is absolutely essential, but it's an interesting thing that I've noticed that how few female teachers of the feminine are mothers. And so, That's something that I've noticed quite a lot over the time in the kind of circles that I'm in and, you know, knowing lots of other teachers of this work is actually the mothers are tending to be like the minority, which is an interesting thing. Like, why would that be? it's something that again, I feel as though there is something so timely and important about talking about this aspect of the feminine but not just it's an aspect of the feminine, in some ways it is like the heart of the feminine. It's like where she starts and ends. ⁓ And weirdly again, how we can talk about so many things sort of downstream from her and while somehow not quite getting to the point of really honouring her. And so again, as soon as you said that, I'm like, yeah, I'm in, okay. I had an experience, not like yours, but my own experience of the great mother, a good few years ago now. And it was interesting hearing your description because although mine came in a very different form, I could use such similar words to describe that just being like held in love, just like saturated encompassed in pure love. And it was, you know, I've had lots of other experiences, but it's experience that's been most like the way that you described that, which in itself was like, that's so interesting. It's such, you know, the same experience I had. So I guess one thing I want to ask your sense of is, is that something that everyone could have the experience of?

Is it something that's kind of there from your perspective, kind of there and like present all the time? And we innocently close ourself off from the knowing of.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (25:59)

100%. I do believe there are women, I call them sirens of the mother, that ⁓ emanate this frequency of her and have gone through their own initiations to envelop that. But like you said, every single one that I've spoken to has had that same feeling, that same experience of being enveloped by her in the energetics of her womb and like rebirthed. again in her essence, in her frequency. And so I didn't fully understand it at the time, but as I started talking to other people, they would get activated by me just being in that essence. And they would feel the love of her. And I do believe that the more we talk about this and the more we embody this, it's like tuning folks. We are the sound of creation.

Lian (26:56)

Mmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (26:58)

and we are retuning each other to vibrate at this level of pure love. And so it's a ripple effect. And ⁓ I know that my book's been out a little while, as in people who have got pre-orders over the last few days, every single one of them. So I don't know what I'm reading, but I am activated. I am crying. My womb is being, you know activated and so I know the potency of just one drop of her love can do miraculous things and like you said it is the centre of the feminine it's like we cannot evolve without going back to the mother and unfortunately as it's been filtered down it's been re it's been written out of history we became accustomed to having a sky daddy you know rather than

Lian (27:32)

Hmm.

Hmm.

Mm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (27:55)

knowing that creation comes through female form we've had like severe cognitive dissonance that we think that woman was birthed out of a man's rib sorry for any religious people but it's just cognitive dissonance to me that the form of creation

Lian (28:09)

Completely. You're preaching to the converted and beautifully. think it was not last week, the week before's episode, at least when we're recording this, ⁓ it was all about this exact topic. It was about that kind of forgotten face of God, basically, you the feminine aspect that is essential. We wouldn't be here without her. ⁓ So yes, I couldn't agree more.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (28:29)

Yeah. Yeah. So as that's gone down through, through filtered into physical reality. We have desecrated the mother. We have like disowned and disembodied from the mother to the point where birth now is just seen as nothing. When it's the most sacred act, we are bringing life into form. There's not one of us that has not incubated in the woman, woman, and we've forgotten in a big way where we've come from to the point where, yeah, women are seen as second class citizens when we should be revered. And so this potency of the feminine now, the mother, it's like, she said, enough now, children. I am bringing order because you've gone too far.

Lian (29:05)

Hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (29:24)

You know, you've got free will, but you've gone too far. The distortions are too much. And it's like we are coming back now into full alignment and harmony, which is centering the mother at the center of creation, because that's how we all came from. So it is a big part and you know, it's a journey to get there. A lot of the things that are in the feminine field right now are about ⁓ self, as in...

Lian (29:39)

Mmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (29:54)

⁓ understanding self and the body and ⁓ our sensual nature and everything, but we need to start going underneath that and embracing it as the impulse of life. We came here, I believe, as women to turn the trajectory of the planet around because it is going, it is living through us as a living technology and Last month I got a strong directive to do a call around disconnecting from the moon because women, not that we can't align with the moon, but for me we have outsourced our power. We are too influenced by that body. Our bodies are not meant to operate in that way. We are, even though we are cyclical beings, we are not, we are meant to be able to control what is happening in our bodies, not an outside body controlling what happens to our bodies. And so, yeah, I led a call in connecting to the original energetics of the earth and disconnecting from the moon and so that we can be fully structural as the feminine and also the masculine. And really embrace that energy and know that it is coming through us to plant it here on the planet so that we can change the fabric of the planet. we all know as women when we come together our wombs sink up. It's not just a coincidence. It's not just, isn't that fascinating? No, there's a reason. There's a reason so that we can be tuning forks and bring this through in a deeper, bigger way, which is why ⁓ I talk about the wisdom of the womb and the technology of our pussy power to fuel that.

Lian (31:32)

Hmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (31:49)

as women because we've got to stop being afraid of the potency of that energy because it is the very thing that created the spark of creation and it's the very thing that will bring it back into

Lian (32:02)

Something that I wanted to make sure that we spent some time on, before we started recording, you were talking about the sort of virgin and whore kind of almost like paradox that is within her. And synchronistically, I'm running a course for women at the moment called Beauty Potion. And

is this week or last week, we were talking about exactly this. it feels like this, know, it's such a paradox in general isn't easy for humans to kind of like get we try to solve these riddles with our minds and they're not for our minds to solve. And this one being, you know, one of those ones that really like it requires a lot of ourselves to be able to hold that seeming dichotomy of the virgin and the whore. and that virgin mother, where of course, how can she be a virgin if she's a mother? And yet she is both. And so I would love to hear more about your sense of that, because I think it is critical in us understanding her true depths and power, where we're not kind of like cutting off parts of her to make her more palatable and more easy to understand.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (33:16)

So in my eyes, there's a lot of history behind why the separation happened. Mainly a lot around fear of that power, fear of that potency and ⁓ dare I say the masculine essence being in fear of the feminine when, because it's a wild, it can be a wild chaotic energy. It is free light. freedom of energy. And so in trying to control that it was like splitting off aspects of the mother. Like you said we invented the virgin and then we invented the whore and like separated them without realising and remembering that all mothers are created through a sexual act. You know what I mean? It's like we are penetrated by a life force and we seed life.

And so we cannot move forward with that split anymore because it causes great distortion. And so the virgin and whore split is essential to heal and integrate within ourselves as women, that we are both that divine light spark of life, but also the very essence of sexual potency on the planet, but because of the way that it got distorted, we've become so afraid of that and men have almost like become seekers of that energy to the point it's almost become predatory, but it's because of the distortion. And I always think when women learn to fully be in that without being afraid of that, it will rewrite what is happening in the field around the imbalance between the masculine and feminine because my deep belief is that men don't want to harm women but they want the essence of the mother because when they do then they can live from heart-centered being but right now again for men it's like they've been cut off at the waist and they live from the lower chakras of the body and it becomes when it's too much of that it becomes lust rather than love and so for men

Lian (35:20)

Mmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (35:38)

my directives were to awaken the hearts and minds of men so that all that energy could come and live from the heart and rewrite the stories in the brain and to awaken women to the wonders of themselves so that they knew the operating system of their body and that the places that have been most vilified, their sexual genitalia and their womb and their breast, everything that makes them women, to understand that they aren't just passive things in the body. They are the very thing that can, yeah, change the atmosphere in a room when we're fully embodied in that full presence. And that is what we are here to do. We are changing the field through the tone that comes through our bodies. And that means shame has to go, guilt has to go, you know.

Lian (36:10)

Hmm

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (36:35)

The way that we look at our bodies in a derogatory way has to go. All the things where we've been conditioned to think it's the way that we look makes us a woman. No, it's the way that we set the tone of the room that makes us woman. And that's through our lives and our being.

Lian (36:56)

Mmm.

So I'm going back again to you and your own life, because again, such a fascinating story and there is, you know, to come from the background you have, and then it's not like it just ended at childhood. You then had, you know, decades, it sounds, of really challenging experiences to be with.

When you describe, you know, to the point where you were sectioned and you had all of these mental health conditions, what I'd love to know is, of course, the experience you had with the mother and then kind of what you've been told since have all had an impact. But what does that look like tangibly in terms of like who you are now, how you live now? If we were to compare you now and how you feel, how you be in the world compared to before that happened.

What would you say, how would you name that change?

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (38:02)

So I class myself as a mystic. I was never meant to live in my head, but I was meant to be connected to, you know, the bigger, wider, ethereal nature of life to bring in.

Lian (38:14)

I'm so glad you know that about yourself because funnily enough, right early in the conversation I was going to say something like you're so clearly a mystic and I don't know why I didn't say it but I was kind of like I'm glad you do know that about yourself because of course.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (38:29)

It took me a while to embrace that because obviously a person growing up and having no one around me to like talk of these things, I thought I was mad hearing things, you know what I mean? Or I thought that why don't I see everything, you know, like everyone else does and why do I have to feel everything? Why do I have to see things so big?

Lian (38:40)

Mmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (38:51)

And like people would say, God, you're so serious. Or, you know, it's not that serious. And it's like, no, to me, I was getting, reading the full field. I could tell when things were going to come in months before they came in. And I didn't understand that. I could tell when people were going to pass it over. I could tell lots of things. it sounded like she's just away with the fairies. Do you know what I mean?

Lian (39:19)

Hmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (39:20)

And because I was so hypersensitive, I felt, you know, everything. I felt nature growing. I felt nature beneath me. I felt the stars, like, as part of me. And so now, when I first had the first awakening, the Kundalini awakening, oh my God, that was just so intense because I thought I felt things before, but I felt so much and I had to learn that my sensitivity was my greatest gift but we live in a world where we're not supposed to feel to that depth. We're not supposed to have such emotional full range. You know we're meant to live in a very narrow bandwidth and it was like my whole giant sense of being just exploded out of me and I had to learn how to navigate it was like living as a Fiat and then realising you're a Bentley. Do you know?

Lian (39:55)

Mmm.

Mmm, yeah.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (40:18)

It's like I have to learn how to drive a very fast car very quickly. And so, you know, a very powerful vehicle of my body and understand that all these layers that live in the body, like the mental, emotional, physical,

Lian (40:22)

Mmm. ⁓

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (40:35)

then spiritual, there were layers beyond that, the ethereal, and then, you know, many dimensions and then source. And because I had that experience where I was catapulted to source, it was like learning to bring stability of that into the body. So was like my soul could live as me in my body and, ⁓ but also incorporate the human side of me, the part that I wanted to dismiss, the part that I wanted to let go of and really understand the shadow aspect of

Lian (40:58)

Hmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (41:13)

life and see it as now I see that as those experiences were the fuel for my medicine. They were the thing that I alchemised and turned into like for growth. And what kind of happens is that we kind of want to either heal it, dismiss it, push it away instead of embracing it and holding it like we would a mother to a loving child.

that has been traumatised, we wouldn't push it away. And so I had to learn to love those aspects of myself and really give them grace and compassion for the experiences that they'd had and the harm as well that I'd caused to other people because I was so traumatised myself. And through that, I could really understand the story of my mum and dad who severely, you know,

traumatised us as children. And had compassion for them. So it's been a long journey of really understanding that we were birthed into a paradigm that was distorted. Every single one of us has had trauma. Every one of us carries the mother wound because she was wiped out of history. So it's like, again, I had to understand the full kind of range of what it is to be mother as martyr, the sacrificial lamb.

Lian (42:22)

Hmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (42:38)

and then mother as divine being. And again, alchemise that all into being.

Lian (42:42)

Hmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (42:46)

I always laugh and feel like mother and my soul were going, like, what are we going to do with this girl because she keeps going back. Yeah, I mean, because she keeps going back into the old story. We're going to have to, you know, reboot her. And that's how I felt like, like this dialogue I was having before with my soul. My soul just said, I can be utilised somewhere else if you don't want to use me.

Lian (42:51)

We need to pull off something big now. An intervention. ⁓

and

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (43:15)

If you don't want to believe that this is part of you, then I'm out of here. And I was like,

Lian (43:19)

Yeah, I'll go do my work somewhere else.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (43:21)

And now it's like the best thing that ever happened to me because It's like understanding we are never alone. This field of the mother, this ether that's all around us, we can rest back into that and be fueled by that. We're not meant to live in front of the body. We're not meant to be always going in perpetual motion. We're meant to have life come and we're meant to receive life. We're not meant to push against life. We're meant to receive it. And as a woman,

Lian (43:42)

Mmm.

Mmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (43:58)

I didn't know how to surrender and receive obviously, which is why I mean, and lots of women don't because we are afraid of that deep penetration of life or by another person. It's like, can we fully surrender? And it's funny, I just did a podcast yesterday for another friend and I was talking about that over the last week,

Lian (44:07)

Of course. Yeah.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (44:28)

my labia has switched on in a way that I can't understand. And it all stemmed from me sharing a post around the fact that women's anatomy was never designed to be penetrated, was designed to pull in. And I've had an experience where my labia has come alive and has drawn the phallus in. And so when I wrote that, a lot of women were triggered.

Lian (44:43)

Mmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (44:53)

And almost like lashing out and I was like, wow, that's really interesting that that has triggered so much when it's the opening of the truth. And then so I sat with it and then I realised, oh, it's because of the fear of receptivity that we don't want to feel, we don't want to take in our life. We've like numbed ourselves from our sensitivity and we've numbed ourselves from understanding that we are receivers as women.

Lian (45:00)

Mmm.

Yes.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (45:23)

you know, because the world is so scary.

Lian (45:24)

It really is. Yeah. I think one of the biggest wounds is around that word right there really is. We are unbelievably up on time and yeah, it feels as though in some ways I think kind of ending here because, you know, I know in the work that I do with women, we could sit with this ⁓ idea of what does it mean to be fully receptive that

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (45:35)

wow.

Lian (45:51)

could be a lifetime contemplation. So in some ways, I kind of love that we've like ended on that cliffhanger,

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (45:55)

Can We learn to be receptive by shifting our energy to the back of the body.

Lian (46:02)

Mmm.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (46:03)

and creating space for things to come in.

the number

Lian (46:06)

Beautiful.

So where can listeners find out more about you and your book of course and your work?

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (46:12)

So you can go to my website, which is www.creativelycoco.com. And ⁓ there's a book thing on there. There's also things about the book launch and about me as a person. Or you can follow me on Instagram at CreativelyCoco or, ⁓ yeah, on Facebook. Although I prefer you to follow me on Instagram.

Lian (46:40)

Wonderful. ⁓ this has been a total joy. Thank you so much Coco and I hope your book does wonderfully.

Coco Oya Cienna_Rey (46:49)

Thank you so much. It's been an absolute pleasure.

Lian (46:51)

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