Could ancient Egypt hold a hidden message about who we really are?(transcript)

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Lian (00:00)

Hello my beautiful mythical old souls and a huge warm welcome back. How might the wisdom encoded in ancient Egypt structures help us to remember who we truly are? In this episode I'm joined once again by the John Wadsworth.

John has been practicing as an astrologer since the early 1990s and has been running the professionally accredited Kairos School of Astrology since 2010. He's the author of the book, Your Zodiac Soul, and is the founder of the Alchemical Journey, a Zodiac Mystery School

Together we explore Egypt not only as a place, but as a frequency, a mirror and a memory. Beginning with John's vivid and really magical experience inside the King's Chamber of the Great Pyramid, our conversation becomes a gateway to a contemplation of ancient wisdom, astrological alignments, sacred acoustics, and the living intelligence encoded in the stones themselves. We invite your reflection on what it means to live in an age where the official story is crumbling and how the myths, temples, and alignments of Egypt may be rising again to guide us through the cracks. Together we explore what it means to live as modern humans shaped by forgotten civilizations. and how perhaps reclaiming that lineage may reshape both our individual and collective destiny.

And before we jump into all of that good stuff, if you're struggling with the challenges of walking your soul path in this crazy modern world and would benefit from guidance, kinship and support, come join our Academy of the Soul, UNIO. You can find out more by hopping on over to bemythical.com slash unio or click the link in the description. And now back to this week's episode, let's dive in.

Lian (02:00)

Hello John, a huge welcome back.

John Wadsworth (02:02)

Thank you, great to be back.

Lian (02:04)

Hmm. And on another fascinating topic, this is a real treat for me personally, as indeed the last one was too. So I know that you lead tours to Egypt and I was thinking actually, I feel a bit gutted that I missed out on your last one. But we're going to begin with an experience you had some time, I think it's a 2011. this kind of origin story starts with you in Egypt. So I'd love to know about that.

John Wadsworth (02:39)

Yeah, okay. Well, I guess my passion for Egypt probably began even before that. I got really switched on to Egypt probably about 25 years ago. But I never made my first trip there until 2011. yeah, I had a remarkable experience in the King's Chamber of the Great Pyramid in Giza in January of 2011.

So that seems like quite a good place to start in terms of what's unfolded with my relationship to Egypt since. So I was there, I was just out there for two weeks with my first wife, Collette, we'd been in Luxor, we'd been just exploring all the temples and the tombs, Valley of the Kings and everything, and we'd become very interested, we were both very interested in sound and the nature of...

Lian (03:10)

Hmm.

John Wadsworth (03:36)

the acoustics of these places. So we'd been exploring that in different places, different temples and tombs. And then at the end of our trip, we made our way up to Cairo and went to Giza right at the end of that trip. ⁓ we want, obviously we've never, I'd never been to Giza before. It was the first time and we were keen to just understand what, you know. could experience in these places, because we were convinced that there was an acoustic resonance that might, ⁓ you know, that we could sort of understand better. So anyway, she had this great idea to go in later in the day, thinking there might be less people in there. And it turned out to be a brilliant idea, because we got in, we got into the Great Pyramid, just as a lot of people were leaving and nobody else was going in, which is very, it's almost impossible these days to get that kind of experience unless you've got private access.

Lian (04:32)

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (04:34)

Back in those days, somehow, I think we were just extremely fortunate, we got into the King's Chamber and there was nobody in there, which we couldn't quite believe. Anyway, we started to tone as we've been toning in other places.of making a kind of low drone and she was doing a kind of melodic ⁓ sound over the top. And we did this for a few minutes. And of course, know, just… It's an extraordinary place being in that if you've been yourself, but it

Lian (05:06)

I haven't been, it's one of the places is next on my bucket list. I've been to Egypt before and to Luxor and places like that, but not strangely there. that's, that's my yeah, hopefully soon.

John Wadsworth (05:11)

Yeah.

It has a unique atmosphere. can say a bit more about it as we go through, but it's a unique atmosphere. There's nothing else in the chamber except for a stone box, which is called a sarcophagus, although I don't believe it was ever used as a tomb. So it's this perfectly geometrically aligned ⁓ room with an extraordinary atmosphere.

Lian (05:33)

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (05:49)

And when you sing in there, you can feel that there were these extraordinary acoustics going on. And so we were toning in there for a few minutes. And then we naturally just sort of, you know, tailed that off and came to stop. We walked into the center of the chamber together and we noticed that this sound was prevailing in the chamber. We weren't making any sound at this point. We'd stopped. But the sound was carrying on like a... At first it was like, well, is that some kind of strange echo? Then we realised it wasn't an echo because it was starting to...

the sound was starting to move and do different things. It was starting to go off in harmonic tones until it was filling the whole chamber. So without us doing anything, this sound just was beautiful, harmonic, strange, otherworldly, filling the whole chamber. And it went on for I'm not sure how long. Could have been half a minute. could have been even a minute, you know, it just filled the whole place. And we literally went into kind of rapture. It was inexplicable what was happening. couldn't make any sense of it. was just, so we just had to surrender to it and we just bathed in this miraculous sound that we couldn't explain.

Lian (07:02)

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (07:14)

And then it sort of came to a stop quite abruptly actually. And we were speechless. We couldn't speak. We had no words for what we just experienced. And we just went back and started toning again. So we just went back to where we'd gone before and we just go, what else are we going to do? We just carried on toning. So anyway, this is just the beginning of what happened. So we start toning again. We've just been toning for a short time. When this guy walks into the chamber, this man walks into the chamber. And he walks confidently across the chamber and he climbs into the box, into the sarcophagus, which we hadn't done at this point.

Lian (07:35)

Go, go!

John Wadsworth (08:01)

even occurred to us to go in there. But he just climbs into the sarcophagus and he starts toning with us from within the sarcophagus. It's like, wow, that's wild, you know. anyway, so he's, so he's, so he's toning inside the sarcophagus with us. And then after a while he gets out and he walks over to me and he says, hello, John.

Lian (08:11)

When in Egypt? my god, I just had chills just going all over my arms.

John Wadsworth (08:30)

a nice And I said, I said, how do you know? I said, how do you know my name? He said, I know your name. You're a great astrologer.

I said, how do you know that? He said, it doesn't matter. He said, my name's Paul, and he shakes you by the hand.

I mean, this is a guy right about six foot tall. I can still like see him clear as day. Blue jeans, white t-shirt, shaved head. It sounded like he had some kind of Australian accent.

He dismisses my question. I just want to how do you know who I am? So I in those days, I probably had a few things on YouTube. Could he of recognised me? It's quite quite dimly lit in there. I mean, there was no way he and every time I asked him how he how did he know he just dismissed it. It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter how I know. And he said, I like what you're doing with the sound.

Lian (09:20)

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (09:33)

I said, well, you should have been in here like a few minutes ago. I said, this sound just came and filled the whole chamber like we weren't even doing anything. It just filled the whole place. And he just went, yes. He said, that happens in here as if it was perfectly normal.

And then he starts talking to me as if he's my teacher and starts instructing me what to do. Like in a very matter of fact way. He right, you must now go and lie in the box. So I go and lie in the box. That's my first time in there. No, he probably called it a sarcophagus. He probably called it a sarcophagus, actually. Go and lie in there. And...

Lian (10:02)

Did he call it a box?

John Wadsworth (10:17)

So I went in there, it's my first time in there, so I'm just toning in there. mean, that's an extraordinary experience. I just felt like I was just dissolving in the sound. was absolutely incredible. then, you know, I get out, Collette, my wife gets in, she tones in there. She tells me later, by the way, that she's tried to have a conversation with him while I was going over to get into the sarcophagus. And he totally ignored her, like she didn't exist. She said he was like the rudest, one of the rudest people she's ever met. Said he was only interested in you. It was like I didn't even exist.

Lian (10:45)

Yes.

John Wadsworth (10:52)

Anyway, then, you know, we all carry on toning and then this and then after a while, this other person comes in and she walks in and she starts she joins us in singing as well. So that's four of us in there. We're all singing. All toning and. And then. Then the lights in there start to flash and must have been in those days that he said, the lights are flashing. We have to leave. The guy just says the lights are flashing, we have to leave.

So we start to make our way out. And he goes out first, he just leaves. I mean, I've said to him, think at some point I've said, we must like me, I need to know how you know who I am. I need to know what's going on. You you need to tell me more about whatever this is, which he's all dismissed that, like just kind of just brushed it off. Anyway, he leaves, goes out and he's been gone out of the chamber just a few seconds and all the sound comes back again, before filling the whole place. like from nowhere. And this woman who's just walked in, she's not, she's only just arrived, so she's not privy to any of this. And she's like, well, what's happening? What's going on? And we're like, well, this happened before, before he came in. Now he's left and now it's happening again. We don't know what's going on. And Collette says something like, oh, the gods, because at this point, nothing can surprise us. We're in a totally different world, right? Nothing makes any sense. Everything is so weird now that we're, that...

Lian (12:21)

you

John Wadsworth (12:23)

pretty much anything could happen and it wouldn't phase us.

So, I always remember Colette said, the gods are saying thank you. They were her words, I remember them really clearly. And then that stops and we're just like, okay, so we leave. And it says this only for a few seconds, this sounds to come back like a few seconds and then stopped. So we just leave and we expect to see… the guy in the grand gallery, because there's this huge grand gallery as you walk out of the King's chamber and you know, there's nowhere else to go. It's the only passage, there's nowhere else you can go. You just walk down the grand gallery and that's how you get out. And it takes you a good like five, at least five minutes to get down to the next part of the passage. So we're just expecting, you know, I want to catch up with the guy because I want to talk to him, right? Obviously. Anyway, we get in, we come out of the chamber, look down the grand. gallery and there's nobody there. He's completely vanished. So I'm saying, like, where is he? And I look at Colette and I'm like, where's he gone? Where is he?

She's bizarre. Anyway, we expect to see him. I just want to see him. I just want to talk to him. We get out to the front of the pyramid. We're bound to see him at the front of the pyramid, because then you've got to get down the pyramid. We get out the front of the pyramid, and he's not there. He's vanished. He's completely disappeared. And there's nowhere else to go. The Queen's chamber is locked. The subterranean chamber is locked. There's nowhere else to go. There's one passage to get out of the pyramid, and that's it. So he just disappeared. He vanished into thin air.

Lian (14:04)

It would have been rather ruined the story if you hadn't been just waiting out there, good day mate! ⁓

John Wadsworth (14:10)

Good day, mate. I mean, there's a photograph of me shortly after this happened and there's something shining out of my eyes. It's the most remarkable photo of me. Like I've just, like I'm just, I was so lit up by the whole thing. Just, it had an incredible effect on me. And it confirmed something very deep about, because I already felt this, I was feeling this incredibly deep connection to Egypt, but it...

Lian (14:20)

Ha

Yeah.

John Wadsworth (14:36)

It confirms something about my relationship to Egypt, but it also confirms something about my path as an astrologer.

Lian (14:36)

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (14:43)

And this happened at a very interesting astrological moment. There was a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction at zero degrees of Aries, you know, right then, which is also my north node. So my north node is at zero degrees of Aries, conjunct my sun in Aries. But it's exactly at zero Aries. So the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction was happening on my north node. So I took this as a sign of you know, of

Lian (14:55)

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (15:12)

affirmation or confirmation that I was on the right path, you know, because of what he'd said, you know, recognising me as an astrologer. And I'd often had this sense, and I'd often been told by psychics before that I was an astronomer priest in Egypt. And I'd even had psychic artists draw my spirit guide, who was this Egyptian guide, you know, years before I actually went to Egypt. that was all being confirmed for me somehow. But the fascinating thing is that this happened on the 25th of January.

Lian (15:15)

Mmm.

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (15:44)

2011. The next day we're wandering around Cairo going to museums and things and there was some strange atmosphere in the city and we came up the metro station into Tahrir Square right into the Egyptian Revolution, right into the Arab Spring. We walked straight into Tahrir Square the night that was all happening.

So that was extraordinary to be there at that moment. And of course, that's also then happening on the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in Aries, at this revolutionary moment ⁓ of social, cultural, and maybe spiritual shift. So to be there to have that incredible personal experience, but then for that to be connected somehow to this collective experience.

Lian (16:05)

Mmm.

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (16:32)

was going on within Egypt felt hugely significant. I think it, although I didn't go back, I I went back to Egypt the following year for three months and spent three months in Luxor and really went deep into the mysteries and really spent a lot of time in these places and really got to know it more. And so that sort of, yeah, that's really the backstory to my relationship with Egypt, which has developed and kind of matured over the years. And in my… In my recent, I went to Egypt three times last year and then this year I took a group with my dear friend Mags McKean. We took a group to, was a group of 16 people on a 10 day tour. The highlight of which was being at the Spring Equinox at the Sphinx pre-dawn, five in the morning, private access, looking due east with Sphinx at the stars of Aquarius.

Lian (17:29)

⁓ wow.

John Wadsworth (17:31)

rising with the astrological age, which of course is set by the stars that rise just before the sun.

Lian (17:40)

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (17:41)

at that zero Aries point again, a very critical point. And interestingly, on that day, as we were talking about earlier, this is when these incredible discoveries came through. I think it was actually announced on the spring equinox, or the day before, around that time, that the synthetic aperture radar technology that's been able to...

Lian (17:44)

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (18:10)

reveal what looks like a whole kind of structural complex underneath the middle pyramid, the Cafferay pyramid, you know, which looks incredibly sophisticated. I mean, I've always believed that there's a huge, know, ridiculously huge and probably linked to the complex cave and tunnel systems that exists underneath the Giza Plateau. You know, there's the famed Hall of Records

Lian (18:21)

Mmm, and huge. Mmm, yeah.

John Wadsworth (18:39)

underneath the… Sphinx and all of that. So there's all of this, the ecocasy readings, the psychic readings that all point to this ancient, this deep ancient knowledge that exists beneath the Giza Plateau and maybe again on this important ⁓ Aries moment, just as the planet Neptune comes to that point. mean Neptune entered Aries just after this moment.

Lian (18:47)

Mm.

John Wadsworth (19:08)

now at that zero Aries point. Saturn is about to get to zero Aries on Monday and they make their conjunction at this what's called the Aries point which is all about like new beginnings, new discoveries, know everything, everything you know being revealed. It all feels like a hugely significant time and a lot of people are being drawn to Egypt at the moment and a lot of people are being drawn to Egypt.

Lian (19:26)

Mmm.

Yes, yes, I mean, that's been the case for a very long time. But I would say it's hard to ever know, isn't it, whether it's just your kind of own bubble, but it feels as though that's true. It really does. So we've got these different strands of place in this instance, Egypt, ⁓ the sort of timing with the great wheel. ⁓ And then this idea of there being this kind of

John Wadsworth (19:40)

Yeah.

Lian (20:00)

that sort of juxtaposition of time and place and then something happening because of it. And then also this idea of collective ⁓ destiny, let's say, and also personal destiny. There's a lot of different strands in everything you've shared. And going back to our conversation before we started recording, I was saying, although I've got a huge personal interest in this conversation, I could spend. days just talking about all things Egypt. I was interested in how can we make this useful to listeners? How can this guide them deeper on the soul path? And where we got to was, well, without understanding who we are as humans and maybe where we've come from.

which could be different to our usual understanding. Without understanding that about ourselves collectively, how can we possibly understand ourselves individually? I think we've got to a point in the conversation where it's sort of time to, if we can, start to weave all these strands together into like, what's at play here? And I appreciate this is almost like asking you to define consciousness, but you know, what's your sense after all these years of delving deeper and deeper into the wisdom held in ancient Egypt and their understanding and again this incredibly detailed sophisticated understanding of the great unfolding of the stars. What does this tell us about us?

John Wadsworth (21:33)

Hmm.

I mean, I'm convinced, utterly convinced that we're looking at a civilization that is thousands of years older than we're told. And, you know, that has its origins in Atlantis, you know, even though the temples that we see in different parts of Egypt may have been built in, you know, the Hellenistic period. over 2000 years ago, certainly were renovations or rebuildings of earlier temples that existed on those sites. And there's lots of evidence of that based on the astronomy, actually, the way that the temples are aligned and the way that they're shifted in their orientation. We can see evidence in certain temples in Egypt where the foundations of an earlier temple are

Lian (22:25)

Hmm.

John Wadsworth (22:36)

present, but they were slightly differently oriented because they were oriented to a particular star. And because of the gradually shifting cycle of precession, the precession of the equinoxes whereby the sky, the stars of the...

Lian (22:42)

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (22:54)

Well, you can track it from the North Pole, the Northern Polar constellations, and you can track it from the constellations of the zodiac as they… as they rise at the spring equinox that gradually shifts over a 26,000 year period, which gives us the great astrological ages.

we can see particularly, you know, there were certain stars in ancient that were very, important in ancient Egypt, particularly the star Sirius, which would ⁓ disappear from the sky for about 70 days a year and then reappear. And its reappearance, which is called its heliacal rising moment, when it reappears in the sky and then it stays in the sky for the rest of the year, that would coincide with the flooding of the Nile. The Nile would flood every year.

Lian (23:21)

Mm.

John Wadsworth (23:43)

around the summer solstice time as Sirius returns to the sky. So that star becomes hugely important and the ancient Egyptian calendars are based around that star. So the temples, lot of Egyptian temples were aligned to that star. But they were aligned to its significant positioning at different epochs and you can kind of measure the, you you can then judge you know, the construction of the temple based on when, you know, when it was pointing at Sirius at those moments when it was returning to the sky. that's all very, for me, that's, you know, very confirming of this idea that, you know, that this was a consistent, that these places were consistently honoured over thousands of years. I mean, there's a tradition that in Egypt, a place can't be truly sacred until

Lian (24:19)

Mm.

Hmm.

John Wadsworth (24:42)

it's had like at least seven epochs of temple building on it over the whole, you that's when it becomes a truly sacred site, you know, so you could look at a place like Dendera or Edfu and these places have been, you know, although these are Ptolemaic, you know, post-Alexandrian Hellenistic temples, they were, you know, there's information in them. built into them that shows that they're on the site of much older sites. I think that's very important to recognised that we, know, the implications, and not just in Egypt, I mean, there are discoveries now happening all over the world, especially in places like Turkey, at Qubekli Tepe and Karan Tepe and places like that, which are undeniably, you know, nine, 10, maybe 12,000 years old, you know.

Lian (25:12)

Hmm.

Mmm.

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (25:42)

So that's already shattering the timeline that we have for civilization. And Egypt does the same in many different, there are many ways in which that timeline is breaking down. And the implications of that are huge for all of us.

Lian (25:45)

Mmm.

Hmm. So let's get into the implications. But first, before we do that, I know there's a lot of controversy, pushback.

Um, skepticism, denial, and, know, some of it's warranted, know, you know, ultimately if something can't stand the sort of test of rigour in this way, then, you know, it probably doesn't have anything to stand on, but they're, definitely, you know, for example, the pushback to say Graham Hancock and his ideas, there's certainly a kind of, um, it's not a popular. fit theory in the kind of, let's say mainstream scientific, archaeological fields. What's your sense as to why is this seen as, know, if it is seen as a threat, why is it seen as a threat? What does that, there's a kind of, you know, implications from, I guess you could say a positive perspective, but why would this be so threatening to those fields?

John Wadsworth (27:02)

I think it's perhaps one of the biggest threats is to change the historical narrative. I think is one of the biggest threats to the mainstream way of thinking. Because there's such an investment in this idea of the myth of progress. I think we can't underestimate how powerful that idea of the myth of progress is.

Lian (27:20)

Mmm, yes.

John Wadsworth (27:30)

to entertain the idea of a highly sophisticated, highly scientific, technologically advanced culture, let alone highly spiritually advanced culture, existing prior to our own, is anathema to mainstream popular science, modern science, thinking, rationalism.

Lian (27:44)

Hmm

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (27:58)

logical, positive, know, all of these movements that, that will, that want to convince us that we've evolved from sort of, you know, hunter gatherers through, you know, in the agriculture revolution and into, and it's not denying that, you know, the hunter gatherer cultures, but they were, but these were sophisticated, highly intelligent, highly spiritually connected.

Lian (28:24)

Hmm.

John Wadsworth (28:24)

as far as I'm concerned, you know, and there's so much evidence for that. It's almost ridiculous how much evidence there is for that. yet, and yet the mindset is so entrenched in the idea that we are the most evolved, most intelligent, you know, race of people that have ever lived, which is absurd when you look at the way that we live and the way that, you know, the way that the world's falling apart. It wouldn't be falling apart in the way that it is if that were the case, right?

Lian (28:43)

Hmm, yes. That was true.

There's something really struck me in your ⁓ reply that hadn't quite clicked for me until you just said it. It's not just the, you know, potentially being kind of technologic, techno- I can't say the word now, technologically advanced, is that bringing together of spirit and science that we see potentially in these ancient cultures. and that is, was only as you said it, I'm like, yeah, that's interesting. It's not just that they potentially had these incredibly scientific understandings of the workings of the universe.

It's the fact that that was intrinsic. It's not even just kind of like, I know we here simultaneously, they had this deep spiritual understanding. It's like it was intrinsically woven together where they aren't separate. And that is just sort dawned on me that's especially threatening to this order that has, you know, the science world is so wedded to the materialist view. And what if when we were kind of at an even more advanced understanding scientifically, we weren't at all wedded to this materialistic, materialism view. That's in itself threatening, isn't it?

John Wadsworth (30:08)

And we have to broaden out this definition of science as well, because it's so narrow. What's admitted as scientific evidence is so, so, so narrow now, because it's only admitted within a paradigm of what's possible within a framework that's already pre... So it's not real science, it's scientism. It's science as a sort of fundamentalist, almost religious. It's almost, you know...

Lian (30:20)

Mmm.

Yes, within our understanding. ⁓

John Wadsworth (30:37)

It's got kind of religiosity about it in its fundamentalism of like what's allowed and what isn't allowed, you know. But you don't have to go much further than the Great Pyramid on how on earth, how on earth is the Great Pyramid built within the means that we allow, you know, in terms of how we understand that time period of culture. mean, it's just, it's so extraordinary that, you know, and the alignment, you know,

Lian (30:40)

Yes.

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (31:03)

not to mention that, you know, how they got these huge blocks of stone so perfectly aligned so you could barely fit a razor between them, perfectly aligned to the four directions to true north. It's aligned to true north within a fraction of a degree. You know, it's so incredible. And not only that, the size of the pyramid actually… They're not even completely flat. They go in at a particular angle, which reflects the light in such a way as to create this extraordinary kind of effect. It's almost like it becomes a sort of a kind of a... I think it's got built into a sort of geometry of a kind of Merkabah. It adds a whole other dimension of geometry into it. And then inside, you've got these huge, these incredible chambers inside.

Lian (31:46)

Hmm.

John Wadsworth (31:54)

of this, you know, granite chambers inside the pyramid, you know, incredibly sophisticated, incredibly perfectly aligned. You've got shafts within the chambers that point directly at stars that confirm the dating of the construction. And, you know, it's remarkable. in a way you have to just go, well, I don't know how they did that. How did they do that?

Lian (32:22)

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (32:23)

My own sense is, I got a really, when I had this experience in 2011, I had this very strong sense that sound, kind of extraordinary technology around sound that doesn't make any sense within rational modern framework, but some kind of technology around sound actually facilitates the movement of stones, that there are ways that stones can be moved into place other than just with, huge pulleys and tens of thousands of people pushing or pulling them. There were ways, ⁓ that sounds outlandish and ridiculous and crazy, but there's something going on which is beyond what we can understand. And if we could just be humble enough to go, we couldn't do that. We couldn't build a great pyramid now, even if we wanted to. Can we give some credit to an ancient people who did?

Lian (33:14)

Hmm.

John Wadsworth (33:22)

So I feel something's coming back. There's some kind of recognition. I think there's a paradigm. We're on the cusp of a paradigm shift here because a paradigm shift happens when there's enough of a weight of anomalous evidence that the existing understanding cannot stand. It cannot survive it. It's too much. And I think there's in so many areas now that's coming.

Lian (33:32)

Mmm.

Mm-hmm.

John Wadsworth (33:49)

that's coming through. But I think in Egypt and what's being discovered in Egypt, think it's part of breaking this control that's holding, know, this gatekeeping that's holding this old narrative in place. Because I think it's really, really struggling now to hold. And I think that that's accelerating now. feel that. And I was there this last time, I really felt that.

Lian (34:06)

Yes. ⁓

John Wadsworth (34:12)

Yeah. this is this, I think these alignments again, this alignment of planets, Saturn and Neptune, conjunct at the beginning of Aries, at the zero Aries point is another, I think that's directly connected to what's happening in Egypt, because things that, things that happen at the zero Aries point seem to happen in relation to Egypt. I mean, in, in, 1822, Pluto was at the zero Aries point. That was when the Rosetta Stone was deciphered. Neptune was the last, the last time Neptune was at the zero Aries point in 1861, that was the building of the Suez Canal, which had a huge impact on Egyptian culture. In 1928, there was a Jupiter-Euminous conjunction at zero Aries. That was the founding of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Lian (34:57)

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (35:05)

And then the next time there's a Jupiter-Yuvanus conjunction Aries, the Muslim Brotherhood kind of end up in power after the Arab Spring, you know. So there's all these kind of things that have happened at this time. And now we're at another of those zero Aries points. And this is why I felt so strongly to be at the Sphinx for the Spring Equinox this year. Because that's obviously the zero Aries point. next year also, we're going to be there in February.

Lian (35:26)

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (35:35)

with the group next year on the 20th of February, the Saturn Neptune conjunction makes the exact, Saturn and Neptune make their exact conjunction at zero areas. We're gonna be at the Sphinx for that next, next February. So it's all happening and it's all happen, but the fact that it's happening around this point, the most powerful point in the zodiac, you know, I I don't think Neptune and Saturn have ever made a conjunction at zero Aries before. I can't, you know, tracking back, don't, yeah, I've never seen it. So.

Lian (35:45)

Wow, who knows what will happen?

John Wadsworth (36:04)

because it happens every 38 years, but the fact that it's happening at this point seems hugely significant. you know, to, I think it's, you know, obviously it's not just, that's not just gonna have an impact in Egypt, but it seems that Egypt is particularly connected to that point. And of course the Sphinx looks due East at that point. I mean, that's why that's the place to be on a spring equinox because the Sphinx is, you know, it's trained on that moment each year. And each year that,

Lian (36:08)

Mmm.

Hmm.

Hmm.

John Wadsworth (36:34)

the stars have moved by a fraction of a degree. They move one degree of the zodiac every 72 years and through a full constellation sign every 2000, you know, every 2160 years, that defines an astrological age. And I think the Sphinx originally had the head of a lion. think it was looking, when it was built, I think it was looking at the Leo constellation.

Lian (37:02)

Mm, yes, because the head that's there isn't the original one, it? Mm. Mm. Mm.

John Wadsworth (37:06)

It's not the original head. No, it's just not proportioned to the rest of the body. It's said to be the head of Khafre, who is supposed to be buried in the middle pyramid. mean, pyramids are named after these three pharaohs who were supposed to have built them as elaborate tombs because of their huge egos. This is what we're told. It's so uninspiring and it's so not. ⁓

Lian (37:18)

Yeah.

Hehehehehe

John Wadsworth (37:35)

It's so wrong. It's so wrong.

Lian (37:37)

No, you don't have to look too deeply into these things to start to go, this is not quite adding up. bringing it back to, gosh, we're almost out of time actually, this is flown by, bringing it back to, again, those of us as humans living today who are devoted to living our souls path.

What might we take from this? what might this, I mean, of course there's a sort of individual call to adventure that we might be feeling that has some relationship to this, but is there anything in particular that you would say based on what you've experienced, what you've learned is, I guess, wisdom for these times that you feel is helpful for us to know?

John Wadsworth (38:26)

think when you go to these places, it reminds us of the power of place. There are places in the world that have special powers. mean, I'm, you know, as a pilgrim of sacred sites for many years, you know, going to these places, they are power centers, they're portals, perhaps portals into another world, into another. And the King's Chamber of Great Pyramid is the most powerful place I know in the world. It's an extraordinary place.

Lian (38:32)

Hmm.

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (38:55)

perfectly aligned geodetically, you know, its proportion of the earth. There's a way that the pyramids are, the pyramid is aligned that you can measure the circumference of the earth. I mean, it's like there's an extraordinary knowledge encoded into this. And I think if we open ourselves to the possibility that there is so much that has been encoded in these places, through these monuments, that can. help us to understand our relationship to the earth, to the cosmos, to our spiritual source. think Egypt is a, you know, there's so much in Egypt as well. mean, there's more, you know, of all the cultures of the world, there's no culture that has left such a wealth of, ⁓ you know, textual information, of knowledge, images.

Lian (39:54)

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (39:55)

in the temple walls and so on, know, and if we can understand that and we can recognised that the wisdom in it, it can transform our lives. know, I think Egypt is one of those places where people come back literally transformed just by being in these places and just being exposed to it, you know, the knowledge, the information, but actually just being in the place can...

Lian (40:16)

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (40:25)

you can have a transformational experience. It was remarkable with our group this time. was wonderful to lead a group there and to see most people were there for the first time and just to recognised what was incredible things were happening. Healing, deep healing, just by being there. I we entered into it in a particular way with a spiritual intention, with an Egyptian guide who was deeply spiritually connected to the temples as well, really.

Lian (40:26)

Mmm.

you

John Wadsworth (40:53)

help support that process. when you go to Giza and to Luxor and the center of the whole of the New Kingdom, to Aswan, probably wherever, it all kind of begins there, to Filet and these places are so, they're such numinous places, they're charged with energy. still there, even with all the tourists that go. You can find, there are ways of entering into it, it's still.

Lian (41:15)

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (41:20)

They're still charged with power in these places and it can awaken us to the power within ourselves and the power to heal. We need to heal. The world's broken. We need to heal. I think Egypt's one of those places that people are being drawn to now because we kind of know it still carries, even with all of the tourist, all of the trappings of the tourist industry, which can put people off as well because it's so overwhelming.

Lian (41:29)

Mmm.

Hmm.

John Wadsworth (41:51)

you can still find, you can still have your moment there. And it's, it still holds power, huge amounts of power.

Lian (41:55)

Yeah.

Well, you've certainly inspired me to move forward on my plans to go back to Egypt sometime. My son is also quite interested in these things and he's been planning a mother-son trip there together at some point. So yeah, I'll be talking to him about that. It definitely feels like it's calling, it's calling to at least some of us.

John Wadsworth (42:25)

We'd love to have you join us in February if it lines for you.

Lian (42:27)

Well, I'm definitely going to look into that.

Yeah, to go there with that kind of intention as a group would be wonderful. So, ⁓ has been such a delight. Where can listeners find out more about you and your work?

John Wadsworth (42:42)

my astrological work, ⁓ kairosastrology.co.uk, that's K-A-I-R-O-S, astrology.co.uk. So I run a two year astrological training in birth chart interpretation. I also run number of workshops, courses, and ⁓ I also lead tours. I pilgrimages in different places, particularly around Glastonbury. And then of course I also lead the tours in Egypt and I have another website for that as well which is skywalkertours.co.uk which we'll have information about next year's trip which is the 9th to the 22nd.

Lian (43:16)

Mmm, good name.

Wonderful.

John Wadsworth (43:25)

February and it includes a three-day private Nile cruise down to Aswan and private access at the Sphinx, private access in the Great Pyramid and a private access in one of the tombs of the Valley of the Kings also. yeah, and lots of astronomical, know, lots of being there at important astronomical moments like the Saturn-Neptune conjunction.

Lian (43:32)

gorgeous. Mmm amazing

Mmm.

John Wadsworth (43:53)

We're also there for the solar eclipse. you know, so there's lots of, yeah, there's lots of meaningful astronomy, astrology going on while we're there too. You're welcome.

Lian (44:03)

I would expect nothing less. Thank you so much, John It has beensuch a pleasure again.

Lian (44:12)

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