The truth about "mystery illnesses" and soul awakening - Lian Brook-Tyler & Jonathan Wilkinson
Episode 539, released 12th March 2026.
Lian Brook-Tyler and Jonathan Wilkinson, Wild Sovereign Soul co-founders, trace their own soul paths together, from childhood rupture and chronic mystery illness, through decades of searching, to turning their wounds into medicine, and suffering into a path worth walking.
Lian and Jonathan sit down together for their monthly, free-flowing conversation honouring the path of the Wild Sovereign Soul. It's challenging to live in this crazy modern world, the Wild Sovereign Soul path is what we know will help.
Each month, they meet live themes from the modern world head on, weaving together what they're currently consuming and creating, how wildness, sovereignty, and soul are showing up in their own lives, along with questions from listeners and the team, and the patterns they're seeing across our students and clients. There is room for curiosity, disagreement, and humour, alongside reflections drawn from their own experiences and initiations, as well as insights from ancient wisdom traditions, astrology, Gene Keys, shamanism, and more.
The show offers grounded perspective, practical insights, and stirring activations for staying soul-led, aware, and responsive inside a modern culture that continually asks us to flatten and deaden ourselves. Each episode is also an invitation to journey deeper with the themes within the Wild Sovereign Soul community, UNIO.
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In this episode, Lian and Jonathan open the veil on their own soul paths, tracing the ruptures, the mystery illnesses, the chronic pain and long years of not knowing, through to the moments that cracked something open and made it medicine.
Jonathan shares how decades of autoimmune conditions and brain fog became the precise material his soul needed to pull him out of his mind and into something softer and truer, and how the path of Christ consciousness, Gene Key 22, and a daily Post-It note are currently where that work lives. Lian traces her own path from the abandonment wound that set her against the Feminine, through a physical attack that began fifteen years of facial pain, through to her father's death and the morning the pain simply left, and the Gene Key of the Shaman that had been waiting for her all along.
From there, the conversation moves into the questions the team had waiting for them: what each would bottle from the other and dispense into the world, and the most valuable thing eleven years of working together has actually taught them.
Listen if you've spent years trying to fix something that nothing has touched, keep cycling back to the same pattern and wondering when you'll be done with it, or suspect the life you're actually here to live is still waiting for you to show up.
What you’ll receive from this episode:
Why autoimmune and mystery conditions so often have a soul call at their root, and what it means to finally stop trying to cure them and begin to understand what they’re trying to show us
How the Gene Keys spheres of Life's Work and Evolution tend to be the ones we most resist, forget, and keep cycling back to
What it actually looks like when two people with polar opposite natures use each other as the material for their liberation over more than a decade
Resources and stuff Lian spoke about:
Excalibur clip that Lian mentioned
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Lian (00:00)
How much of what we call chronic pain and illness is actually the soul refusing to be ignored any longer? Hello, my beautiful soul seekers. This week, Jonathan and I are pulling back the veil on our own soul paths, tracing the ruptures, the mystery illnesses, the chronic pain and long years of not knowing through to the moments that cracked something open and made it medicine. But first, if you've just arrived here, welcome. If you've come back, Welcome home. And if you keep finding yourself here without subscribing, your soul clearly knows what it's doing. Honor that call and go ahead and subscribe. In this episode, Jonathan and I sit down together for our monthly free flowing conversation, honouring the path of the wild, sovereign soul. It's challenging to live in this crazy modern world. The wild, sovereign soul path is what we know will help.
We're exploring the truth about mystery illnesses and soul awakening. What it means to finally stop trying to fix something and begin to understand what it's trying to show you. Jonathan shares how decades of autoimmune conditions and brain fog became the precise material his soul needed to pull him out of his mind and into something truer and softer.
And how the path of Christ consciousness Gene Key 22 and a daily Post-it note are currently where his work lives.
I then traced my own path from the abandonment wound that set me against the archetypal feminine through a physical attack that began 15 years of chronic facial pain, through to my father's death, and then the morning a year later where that chronic pain simply vanished. And then how the Gene Key of the Shaman had been waiting for me all along and is asking me to circle back to it again right now.
So listen, if you spent years trying to fix something that nothing has touched, keep cycling back to the same pattern and wondering when you'll be finally done with it, or suspect the life you're actually here to live is still waiting for you to show up. And before we jump into all of that goodness, if you're struggling with the challenges of walking your soul path in this crazy modern world, and your heart longs for guidance, kinship and support, come join us in Unio, the community for wild, sovereign souls. Unio is the living home for the wild, sovereign soul path, where together we reclaim our wildness, actualise our sovereignty and awaken our souls. You can discover more and walk with us by heading on over to bemythical.com slash Unio or click the link in the description. And now… to this week's episode, let's dive in.
Lian (02:50)
Hello, here we are once again, Jonathan.
Jonathan (02:56)
Hello, here we are once again, Lian It is beautiful as ever to be back.
Lian (03:04)
Hmm. I always feel weird welcoming you, even though I would normally do that. I always feel odd welcoming you to the show for some weird reason I've recognised, but I'm going to anyway. Welcome to the show, Jonathan.
Jonathan (03:13)
Maybe, maybe I was just imagining us doing every morning when we speak. Welcome, Lian Welcome, Lian, to this new day.
Lian (03:21)
I'm loving that. this is really, even though last, well it's actually the month before last now, January's show between us was technically the first of a new show format because we were really wanting to give context to All Things Wild Sovereign Soul.
it wasn't quite what we foresee this show becoming. But even this show is going to be slightly different in that there's a bit of scene setting to do, which we will dive into next. And then from now on, after this show, there's going to be a way that we're going to flow this. So this will be the sort of first of its kind, albeit slightly different for that reason. And where...
Where we were drawn to begin is to actually draw some dots between Be Mythical, the chapter that we were in the midst of closing and Wild Sovereign Soul, because we realised after we'd finished last month's episode, I keep saying last month, you know what mean, the last episode we did, we realised we actually hadn't mentioned Be Mythical really at all, which felt kind of dishonouring.
Apart from anything, but also potentially confusing for people listening. So we wanted to remedy that now. And the first thing to say is that we absolutely haven't turned our back on anything actually that we were talking about working with in our Be Mythical era. Every single thing, I think.
I can't think of anything that's not the case. Everything that we were talking about over the two years that we were being mythical is as true today as it was then. The move to Wild Sovereign Soul, and I'm not going to kind of go deep into that because of course that was what the entirety of our last episode was, it's much more a kind of deepening and a clarification of our work is why we've moved to Wild Sovereign Soul, but it's by no means saying, that all things be mythical are no longer true and aligned. And I guess putting that into a more specific way of saying it, at the heart of be mythical is the notion that it's all about living our own soul's myth.
That's what the work of Be Mythical is. It's not just this becoming an idea of what it is to be mythical. It's ultimately about our own soul's myth and to understand that, embody it, to live it. And of course, that's exactly what we're all about. We're all about awakening and living from soul. And it's also important to add that the focus on myths and archetypes that is I obvious by the name, be mythical, that has been part of our work, still absolutely is. We didn't come up with this idea that working with myths and archetypes is incredibly powerful when it comes to living from soul. This is something that humans across time the world over have known is present in myths and archetypes. So that will continue to be. absolutely intrinsic to the work we do. And so that, I think leads us in really nicely into some of what we're going to share in this episode around our own journey of our living our souls myth. But is there anything you want to say about everything I've just journeyed through in terms of being mythical, our souls myth that you want to touch on before we start to dive into our own?
Jonathan (07:36)
Not a great deal, no, I think you really summed it up. There isn't much more to say other than what you have said. And maybe I'll just add something that's there is the importance in the work we've always done. is making that connection between this present crazy modern world and our souls path and where we can orient ourselves on that journey. And when it comes to the past or very much myths and these incredibly powerful ancient stories and ancient technologies, they are so oftenwhat's really aligned to help awaken us to our souls path and therefore yeah it's as essential as essential as ever to honour what the energy of being mythical is of following your own soul path and everything that's aligned to help support you on that long but very very worthwhile journey.
Lian (08:47)
Hmm. The, you know what I'm like with words. I'm such a word geek and your stumble there where you said in-sensual instead of essential suddenly sparked this whole network in my mind where I was like, that's such an interesting stumble that if we, that kind of. It prefix of in is obviously talking about something inner and we talk about things like invocation.
And then the idea of essential and I was like, gosh, it's actually a really apt stumble that you made there that this is everything we're talking about here is essential. And then I was thinking about the word essential and essence in our soul. And I was like, Oh, there was, there was so much in that word that you said there where it's like, all of this is essential and in sensual to be embodied, to invoke our own essence, our own soul's essence.
Jonathan (09:43)
Hmm, it is indeed. I love that spark.
Lian (09:49)
an insight into the workings of my mind right there. So as I mentioned at the start of this episode, our intention is to share on all kinds of things in these episodes we're going to do together. We've got a smorgasbord that we'll be picking from each time of like certain places that we're going to go. I mean, it is
Jonathan (09:51)
Yeah
Lian (10:16)
We are so sport for choice. We're going to be answering listeners questions, questions from the team that we're going to like secret questions that we're going to ask each other. I'll take on current events looked at through this soul lens. We'll probably gesture to things like gene keys and astrology and human design.
There's going to be, you know, student and client case studies. So there's so many different things that we're going to be journeying through in these episodes. And it occurred to you earlier, hmm, perhaps it will be useful because our intention is also to open the veil and share a bit of our own soul path as part of these episodes. Maybe it'd be first helpful to...
give a little bit more of the landscape of us and our kind of wider soul path so that going forward, we can kind of drop in and go, okay, this is where I'm currently at. This is what I'm navigating right now on that path, which I think was, it was a typical Leanna and Jonathan discussion about that, wasn't it? It was like, sorry, what is the distinction you're making, Jonathan? And then we got to the point where we're like, yeah, that makes complete sense. This is what we're doing right now.
And so I'm going to hand over to you first to, and again, within the bounds of what's possible in the time that we've got to share what occurs to you would be most useful, powerful for our listeners to know about your soul's path.
Jonathan (12:07)
Yes, so as you beautifully set up just then there's you and I, first of all, just as the listeners will hopefully get a deeper sense, because I know we've done a good few shows now, but once we start to really, as I say, pull back the veil and really reveal the intimacies of our soul, our souls and their journey, listeners and viewers will also really get a sense of the perfection of our souls and how, like you alluded to before, there's, we have the perfect material for liberation for one another, which is, yeah, perfectly challenging and beautiful all in this same, yeah, perfect. think of the word to describe it almost like a kernel of crucible. Thank you. That's the word I'm looking for, which is something I will I will touch on with regards to my journey is my interesting relationship with these symbols we call words and recalling them at certain times. But of exactly
Lian (13:06)
Crucible.
Which of course is the opposite to mine.
I mean, the fact you're dyslexic and I'm hyperlexic.
Jonathan (13:29)
Exactly. Exactly.
So clearly we're aware this is quite a quite a quite the thing to reveal. And, know, we could probably record a 10 hour podcast and we'd still not be able to give you, know, a clear sense of everything we need to give you. So this is going to be an unfolding journey. And so hopefully in this show, we can start to give you a bit of a taste for that. and share again a bit about where we are on that journey currently and you'll be able to come along for the ride and yeah we'll be as vulnerable as we're called to be when it comes to honoring our soul path and being able to serve you as deeply and as powerfully and as lovingly as we can as a force for good in this world and we're very much committed to that. Couldn't be more committed to that. who knows where that's going to lead us or take us or ask of us. But we are here for it.
Lian (14:38)
So with all that all said, would you like to share your own soul path?
Jonathan (14:48)
I will certainly give that a go.
There's a number of places I could start from, probably the, I don't know if it's the easiest sort of place I'm feeling called to start it from is when I really felt this, this path of soul leading me somewhere, whether or not it was as clear, clearly it wasn't as clear as it is now. But that would, would have been when I really started to experience a lot of illness.
and many forms of disease and illness that the world at the time had no diagnosis or cure for. And nowadays they put a lot of those under the autoimmune conditions. Basically, you know, the ones that they say, they're chronic. You don't know what those are. And, but I've had so, so many health conditions over my life that
Yeah, I could, it could take me an hour just to list the amount of things that have been, that I've been diagnosed with. And so this very much started, I believe from a couple of events in my life. One of the key ones was around eight years old when my mom and dad split up and my dad left. And from then, It was a, it was pretty, really more challenging than I believe I knew at the time. But from that point, a lot of these health conditions started to come surface and it probably took about a year for them to really come to the fore, which is used quite common actually in people when they receive or go through a traumatic event. It usually takes some time for the dis-ease, the disconnection in the body to really take hold.
And that's what happened for me. And I pretty much exhausted all possible avenues via mainstream medical hospitals and things like that. I then went private and this went over many, many, many years. And at the age of around 15, I, yeah. was rather stubborn and thought, well, I'm just going to try and work all this out myself. And then started on the path of understanding everything I could about the human animal, our body, the environment we inhabit, the universe at large. And that journey is one that's still very much going on. classic thing of the more you know, the more you realise you don't know, but there's a that has changed so much over the years. one thing actually talking about like what's becoming present or what's feeling, there can be themes that unfold with the people we work with on their soul path or just what we can feel in general. And one at the moment that's been quite persistent in its echoing and ringing is how we can resist letting parts of us die, the old parts of us die. And for so long, my soul was calling me into a deeper way of being or a different experience of life or a new me. But all I wanted was the old me. All I wanted was to get back and be healthy. All I wanted was to have all the energy or the freedom or whatever it may be. And I don't say that to say that, okay, for everyone in that situation, that's not, that's the case for you. But so often it is, it is a deep call. We can experience a rupture in our life that can take us down a certain path. For me, was one of, of certainly of knowledge. You know, I spent decades. I'm, 30, oh saying that, I wish 37. I turn 47 next week.
Lian (18:51)
Hehehehe Thank
Jonathan (19:10)
And, you know, so I've been on this for like over three decades now, and there was a point at which it was an amassing of information. And then in the last probably decade, it's been much less about the amassing of knowledge and information, and much more in that deeper ⁓ soul path. And for, as I said, so long, I was trying to heal myself.
I was trying to heal something that I deemed to be broken rather than the more that has illuminated itself to me over the years and the decades is that no, this is perfect. As I alluded to earlier in the podcast, with regards to me remembering words, one of the things I struggle with immensely is brain fog headaches, migraines. I was
Lian (19:42)
Okay. Okay.
Jonathan (20:05)
fully symptomatic of a brain tumor at one point, had all scans and everything that's associated with that. But one of my key things that I'm called into is to get out of my mind. For me to be in my mind is deeply in misalignment with my soul. For me, it is much more about softening, coming into the body, being embodied and of the heart and the soul. And in many ways, that's the case for all of us, but Lian's a great case in point.
who has a level of brilliance that is her nature and that is meant to be utilised in all the wonderful ways it is. And for so often, I would try and fight against that. I'd be like wanting to get back to having this level of clarity of communicating and expressing myself. And yet I can see that that's an old part of me that is showing me way to get out of my mind is just to surrender, to release control of trying to either get healthy or get back to the Jonathan I was and to allow my soul to be called into the Jonathan I am becoming. that has so that's a very brief outline of my journey over 32 years and some current
things that are unfolding for me are one of the best ways I can probably describe this is through Gene Keys We probably mentioned it on the show quite a bit. And it's there are many, many things out there that help not define you, but outline a lot of what energetically you've come into this world with your gifts and shadows and things like that. And the Gene Keys we've both found to be incredibly serving for us.
And my life's work on the Gene Keys is Gene Key 22, which goes from the shadow of dishonor into the gift of graciousness and then into the Sidhi of grace. And the Sidhi is like the highest state experience, this divine experience of being. And that's my life's work is to find the sweetness in suffering. And it's very much connected to Christ.
It's very, my specific one is I'm a 22 one and my evolution is 47, which is transfiguration. So it's, I'm very much on that journey of Christ consciousness and transfiguration, which of course is quite a, quite a big journey in and of itself. And it's one that recently through the technology changes we've had with AI.
I've been able to work with that in a way of even this Post-It is a great reminder what I have on my desk. And essentially it's a daily alignment reminder to help me align with Christ consciousness, with the path of Christ consciousness and transfiguration. And it is soften, surrender control, be humble, lead beside, not above, nothing to prove.
just love. And I can't tell you how powerful that is for me in having those reminders right now, because it's what I need right now. Five years ago, it may have been like, I'm sure it'd have been serving but nowhere as powerful as what it is right now for me. And with that, there was a line in a soon to be released book by Richard Rudd, which is a sages path, I believe I may be getting that title not correct. yeah, in there, there will be 370 or around 400 sutras of which there's a sutra like a poem, and then he describes your contemplation and your mythos.
Lian (24:07)
That's right.
Jonathan (24:25)
And in that, I have the only one out of nearly 400 that mentions Christ. And that really struck me. It actually brought me to tears as I've been drawn very much to Hanuman, who I have on my desk here, who many say bears and resembles a lot with Christ. And it's been a really interesting journey at the moment for me.
opening myself up to it, like many in the Western world, we have been conditioned in certain ways in our relationship to religion. And it's not necessarily religion, I feel I'm being called into, but the teachings of Christ, the path of Christ consciousness, and down into paths of narcissism. myself, Lian, we've had many conversations around this, how much of what my soul is calling me into aligns with Jesus Christ.
and much of what Lian's soul is aligned with is Sophia Christ, that divine feminine and divine masculine. there's been so much that's come up in that currently for me that's really brought me home. And so much to the point that I've got a level of attunement to what I'm being called into.
for Lian, for instance, and for other significant relationships, I can now present something to them that lets them know, this is how you can help guide me on my soul path. These are the situations that come up for me. And in these situations, this is what's really helpful because of these things. And that's where that daily alignment reminder comes from. It's like a really condensed reminder of a much broader spectrum of things for me that I'm sure I'll go into much more detail in either future shows or in a bit, but I'm conscious of, yeah, I've speaking for quite a little bit of time. So I'm going to bring that to somewhat of a close, but that's what's alive for me at the moment. is this path, like My wild sovereign soul path at the moment is very attuned and aligned with the path of Christ consciousness. And again, what that requires of me, what that calls of me. And the deeper and deeper I go into it, the more and more I can see, that's so aligned and everything like, for instance, with Gene Keys just matches up perfectly. Everything with a, I could list eight or nine other philosophies or ways in which astrology is where we look at things and everything aligns. But more than anything, one of my gifts I should share is, I'm claircognizant. So I have like a deep knowing of when something's so, and I can feel it in my my knowing is and so I have this beautiful resonance of, that is so and after being many years on his path, that's a really, really helpful thing. It's almost like a plum or pendulum kind of thing to test the alignment of something. yeah, I've never, never felt more aligned. But that doesn't mean that because of my journey with my life's work, that being to find the sweetness in the suffering, to find the grace in the suffering. Ever since I first heard Ram Dass speak about there's grace in suffering, and then Richard Rudd later to kind of bring that to life in Gene Key 22, it's been such a first and unwelcome truth that with time, is something that graciousness has come with it and grace at times as well. So that's very much a sort of condensed version of my soul path and kind of where it started and some of the things that are calling me into alignment at the moment.
Lian (28:42)
Hmm. It was so interesting listening to what in many ways is a familiar story. Obviously we know each other well, we've shared our stories so many times with each other. And yet there were a couple of things that stood out to me as new. And the first was, I don't know that I knew before that your health issues began so early. I didn't think it that happened until you were a teenager. And I think that's the first time I was like, Oh, I appreciated the more kind of what we might say is like the mental disease began younger. had no idea that that was showing up on in other ways and other levels so early in your life. So it's so interesting that I missed that the whole time. The thing that what I'm to say is not brand new but it was just a clarity which I was like yes I wonder if this is so when you're talking about what we now call autoimmune conditions these you know in quote marks what mystery illnesses that are really hard to diagnose get to the bottom of let alone cure I was like hmm
I wonder if we could actually define those kind of illnesses as actually all being cause of the soul. I was thinking so much of the time that is so, so much of the time when we have autoimmune conditions, once we journey deeply enough, we can then, and the same is true in my own story, is what I was also realizing, joining the dots, looking backwards, how there was this
Jonathan (30:23)
Mm.
Lian (30:38)
soul calling at the heart of that, that of course our modern medical system has no clue of, hence the struggle to diagnose, let alone help people with those conditions.
Jonathan (30:51)
Yeah, definitely. think you are really on point there. As it's often spoken to about autoimmune conditions, it's the body turning against itself, or it's the body rejecting a certain part of itself and therefore autoimmune by its very definition, it's like when you turn on parts of your body, you see your body as a threat. they, well, we can't know this for certain, what we do know is
the rates of those are increasing rapidly in these modern times. And yes, a lot of that is to do with what we're disconnected from. But yes, that feels so deeply true, what you shared there. And then there are many ways in which spirit, God created, however you want to refer to this, organizing force behind life works with us to call us into our soul, to create that.
Lian (31:25)
Hmm.
Jonathan (31:50)
material for our liberation. And yeah, for my personal journey and of course, the many people we work with autoimmune conditions, we can really kind of feel the truth in that and what you just shared.
Lian (32:04)
Yeah. So thank you for sharing your story. There's of course, we're only going to be able to scratch the surface, but I feel that that was a really beautiful kind of introduction to the book, the myth that is Jonathan.
so having, having just journeyed through yours, starting back where, you know, there's a point at which we can kind of go, I believe this was, an inflection point in my journey. And again, we often can't see this until we join the dots looking backwards. And I doing the same with my story.
I think like, like with your journey, there was certainly a rupture that happened when my parents separated when I was five.
And because of the particular relationship I had with my father, it created, in some ways you kind of look at the, the, what was playing out and the people involved and you know, everyone absolutely doing their best. and so when you look, you look back through the eyes of soul, you can see things that can sound extreme or making people wrong or people, you know, shouldn't have done things the way they did, but there is, there is something so pure and loving about being able to look back at events in the past through those eyes where you're like, this did happen. It had this impact. And I can also see the the calling for me now being able to look back at that. And so I'm saying that because again, we can say, well, you know, in this instance, my parents separated and then my father had this very strong bond with, they're not just left the family home, but actually left the country, sort of set off wandering. And, you know, now as a parent, I think my goodness, how the hell did you think that was a good idea? And of course for little Li back then it was received in my system as abandonment, this kind of, this, so interesting. I think I've never told this story with emotion and it's just like, the way I was about to describe it, it's just something brought, it's like a whoosh of emotion. It was like the sun that lit up my dates at just set.
and
I responded in a kind of, you know, probably in the way that I just have described as if my sun had just gone out and completely was just absolutely devastated and was acting out in all kinds of ways at school with my mother and At some point, my father came back and my parents agreed because of the state I was in, it would make sense for me to go to live with him, at least temporarily until I'd kind of settled down. And that temporarily became our lives. And so I don't think again, my parents ever envisaged I would stay with my father. I have a younger sister who stayed with my mother, but that became how we did life. So we ended up in this unusual dynamic where my father brought me up and my mother brought my sister up. There was a little bit of co-parenting, but not huge amounts, partly because my father's wanderlust meant that we then kind of set off together traveling. And so often we weren't in the same country or county as my mother.
And the reason I've shared that with perhaps more detail than it needed is to share with you the way that I kind of created this, I guess, idealized, idolizing view of my father and therefore, as these things do, the masculine and how that became this North Star for me. Like that's everything that's good, everything that's valuable, everything that's worthwhile is my father, aka men, aka the masculine. And I had this very wounded relationship to the feminine, to women, to my mother, which wasn't really...
because of anything particularly obvious material, this was just, again, my soul already beginning its story in the way it needed to. And so I was an extreme tomboy and really saw myself as, you know, I can be as strong as a man, as good as a man, as this is a man.
Interestingly, I just glanced at my, the line that he describes my evolution gene key, as you mentioned it earlier, which I'll come back to in a moment because it really hit me the, this particular line just now. And so I had this very strong identification with not being the words I associated with the feminine with women, like being weak, being needy, being vulnerable.
And so I set about, as we do, building my identity through that lens.
And then of course, as life does, it gives us experience after experience that will bring us face to face with that. And often in a certainly in our early parts of our lives compounds it. So I had many experiences of, I guess, abuse at the hands of men, which again, is so interesting that my, wound was actually around the feminine and yet I had so many really, really damaging experiences at the hands of men. And yet this same story persisted where it's just like, well, I'll just double down and be even less vulnerable, even less weak, even less able to be harmed.
And then fast forwarding a bit, the part of my story that mirrors yours is, as you know, I experienced an attack that was physical and sexual in nature and also only really saw the importance of this later on. There was a part of this attack where I, so interesting, I've just seen another part of it which may or may not mention, but At one point of it, I thought I was going to die. My last conscious thought I had was, I'm going to die here. There's no help coming. I'm going to die here. And I was then knocked out. But if there was a part of me that was conscious, I guess that's like dying. And so it was in some ways a kind of experience of dying without actually dying because thankfully I did at some point help did come. opened my eyes. Albeit at that point, I had so much blood in my eyes. I also then thought I'd gone blind. Anyway, suffice to say it was an intensely traumatic experience, which was compounded by a number of other aspects, which I don't have time to go into at the moment. But a month or two after that experience, I began having what was then at some point diagnosed as atypical facial pain, which was this constant burning, gnawing pain that began in one of my teeth and then over time started to expand. it was the whole right side of my face. And just like you shared, Jonathan, I looked into everything I could do to get rid of this pain, to understand what this pain is to the point where I had a root canal on the tooth it began in and the dentist, my dentist bless his heart, I often think of him because this story does not do him justice because he really did try to say no to me. I'm not an easy woman to say no to. He was saying to me, there is nothing wrong with your tooth, there's nothing wrong with the root.
I'd had at this point, can imagine scan after scan, I've been to specialists and all the things. And he was saying to me, please, like we just, we shouldn't do anything with his tooth. And I begged him, please do a root canal. I have to know, I have to know. I cannot live with his pain without knowing. He did the root canal. Of course he was right. There was nothing wrong with the tooth. So therefore I now don't have a root in that poor tooth. And I still had the pain. It got to the point, and I think there's a little bit of a wake up call where I'd been prescribed anti epilepsy drugs. And I think there was just something in me that woke up to like, none of this is the answer. I don't even know what's wrong with me. I don't know what's going to cure it, but this ain't it. Like it's time for me to just accept this.
not making those drugs wrong or you know in certain circumstances they could be exactly the right medicine for the wound they weren't the medicine for this wound I had the wisdom least to know that. So I learned to live with the pain learned to accept it and funny enough I was only talking to a friend about this very recently where she's now one of my closest friends.
She didn't even know I had this pain. Most people in my life didn't because I just never spoke about it. I just learned to exist with it just like you would a limb.
And then just like, again, I can only tell little snippets of my story, because each part of it could be an episode in itself, but I was again, really seeing in your story and this idea of autoimmune conditions or these mystery conditions, chronic pain like I had, that it's one way or another a calling of soul. And that only became clear to me after 15 years. And I'll do as quickly as I can. Some people would have heard my story before at much greater length. My father died under very sudden tragic circumstances. And that was the beginning of me waking up to soul.
such an unexpected, such an unexpected way. It's so interesting also how, of course, you know, these bookends of my father, my father going and then my father going. And it was, it was, it's what caused the wound and it's also what allowed the wound to start to become medicine. And a year, to almost the day after he died was that real kind of like being blown open to the truth of that, which also instantly cured the chronic facial pain. Which at the time was such a mystery. was like, know I can, I can feel what's happened. I don't understand. I can't put that into words. can't.
And I had this real strong sense of this is something for me to share with others, to use in service. And yeah, I've got no words to do that with. And so for me, it's sort of mirroring your journey, but in a different way, it was like, I need to understand this just so I can help other people with this. It was less at this point about helping me. It was just being able to understand what had happened to me so that it could be used in service.
which of course brought us together and the rest is history. And so I'm just going to briefly touch on this through the lens of Gene Keys as you have, because just as you say, this isn't about us having this kind of fate mapped out that we then are kind of constrained by, whether it be through the lens of Gene Keys, human design, astrology or anything else.
And yet there can be these really helpful way markers where it gives a language, it gives ideas, it gives myths, it gives symbols to things that allow us to work more consciously with them. Which that's absolutely been the case for me. And there's two, two Gene Keys. And I think this is probably the truth for almost everyone working with Gene Keys. It's often our life's work sphere and our evolution's sphere that We are most, the most resonate, we're most impacted by, we most live through, we most struggle with the shadows. Would you agree with that, Jonathan? I think probably Richard Rudd says that.
Jonathan (46:01)
Well, I also just want to add that sometimes it can be the opposite. like, with both of ours, evolution, which is essentially the evolution sphere is what we're here to learn. And for both myself and Lian, it was like, yeah, it doesn't really resonate with me that one. But as time has gone on, it's like, boy, does that resonate and can understand why there was a part of us in resistance to really kind of being with it.
Lian (46:07)
Bye.
Jonathan (46:29)
just add that bit that yes, they most of the time, everything really resonates, but notice the ones that are like, yeah, not sure about that one. Yeah, maybe not. Maybe a little tell that there's something more there.
Lian (46:37)
Well, completely my example will be so perfect to illustrate that with my evolution. So my life's work is Jinky 48. And as you may have heard me share on the show before, I'm dyscalculic. So I struggle with numbers. And so this is ongoing kind of running. I don't know if you call it a joke.
between Jonathan and I, also actually one of our beloved clients who's very into Gene Keys where it's like, the numbers mean nothing to me. So if you just go, yes, because I've been working with my Gene Key 38, people expect me because I've got a really good memory. They expect me to know what the hell I'm talking about. And if it's a number, I have no clue. It's like I've heard it for the first time ever.
For me, you always need to say the Sidhi of that gene key and then I'll be like, yes, of course I know exactly where that is in your chart and I know all about it. I don't know how you've been churning with it. Anyway, so for those of you that do do numbers, it's my life's work is gene key 48. And it's a path going from the shadow of inadequacy to the gift of resourcefulness to the Sidhi of wisdom. And it's as Richard Rudd the creator, channeler of Gene Keys says it's one of the great feminine archetypes. So go back again to my story and my very great resistance to the feminine. Of course, my life's work is going to be embodying this great feminine archetype of wisdom, which is also known in the I Qing, which part of what Gene Keys's is based on is the I Qing, the hexagram for this particular Gene Key is called the well. And so even if you think of the well symbolically, you can really feel, see, experience that symbol in itself is kind of the quintessential feminine. And so there's lots more I could say about this actually, but I'm going to pause, no doubt I'll say more in a future episode, but I'm to move quickly onto.
My evolution Gene Keys, which is Gene Keys 21 for those who do numbers, and it's moving from the shadow of control to the gift of authority to the Sidhi of valour. Interestingly, going to what Jonathan was just saying there about the resistance, it's funny because the with almost I think every other Gene Keys, it's the Sidhi that I remember primarily what the name of that Gene Keys is. So if I was thinking of a certain Gene Keys, I would name the Sidhi of it.
The only one I don't do, and I actually to the point where I forget momentarily what the Sidhi even is, is my evolution Gene Key, which kind of says a lot, doesn't it? So the shadow of control is just like, yep. That right there. And then I completely like, just like, hang on, what's the Sidhi? And I get mixed up with my purpose. They're quite similar words, sort of in fairness to me.
So my purpose is the Sidhi of honour and the Sidhi of my evolution Gene Key is as I think I just said Valour and Anyway, this is one that I just again because it's the lesson I'm here to learn I cycle round over and over again as if I'm there for the first time
And I was just, I actually listened, not even knowing that I was going to share this in today's show. I actually listened to it not once, but twice. The audio that Richard Rudd is, they're fabulous actually, if you've not listened to those before. Richard Rudd has done an audio about each of the Gene Keys, which we've had the whole set now for a number of years and use them all the time personally and in our work, the work we do. Anyway, I listened to it twice on repeat earlier.
And there was a couple of things that stood out to me. Firstly, and you probably would have heard us say this before, every time you go back and either read the Gene Keys book about each of the Gene Keys or you listen to the audios, it's like, and I think Richard Rudd describes it, it's like the angels have been in and actually changed it since the last time you read or listened to it. It is literally like they have changed to the point where I was going to say to you, Jonathan, has he actually updated them? And then you've updated them in our Dropbox folder?
I was like no it is just the fact that I'm hearing something. We haven't have we? They are the same audios we've always had. Yeah but you can hear the question came because I'm like I'm sure I've never heard this thing but I've had that experience a number of times including... So this particular Gene Key is the shaman Gene Key. So it was a figure of a shaman that was used in the original woodcut
Jonathan (51:18)
Exactly the same.
Lian (51:41)
for this hexagram. And Richard Rudd mentions the shaman at length in this particular audio. Anyway, I had listened to it, I'm sure, more than once in the past. And then as I had a whole, this is a whole other story you may have heard me share before, when I felt the call back now years ago to shamanism, I had so much resistance to it. So, so much resistance to it.
eventually got to the point where I submitted to the call. And then it was, so my very last time going into the woods where my shamanic training was happening. So this is after three years of training, the very last time I went into the woods, I was happening, obviously in quote marks, happening to relisten to this particular audio. And
So this is like, finally, I've heard the call, submitted to the call, done these three years training, and then finally listen to this thing and hear him say for the first time, seemingly, this is the Sharma Jeekey. And I burst out laughing like, my goodness, it's so funny. Like I had no clue that this was there all along. I heard it for the very first time. Anyway. I just want to share something that I heard in it today again, for the very first time, even though supposedly it was always there, I don't really believe. And there is something so archetypally, just so true and so beautiful for all of us actually. Again, of course, all of the Gene Keys are archetypes that are here for all of us. There's just going to be particular ones that are more...
going to be more poignant, I suppose, in our own path in that lifetime. And as a way of demonstrating this energy of valour, as opposed to control of this particular Gene Key, Richard Rudd seemingly just in the moment has this film come to mind. And it's one... that was a film when it was released in 1981, it's called Excalibur by Boorman. And the story is actually kind of mirrored in legends about Arthur, but this particular scene, I think is, you know, precise to the film, not necessarily to the legends. And so Arthur at this point is still relatively young. He has Excalibur at this point and he's fighting Uriens, who is actually a real historical character. He's not just some of the characters we don't have historical basis for, Uriens we do. Anyway, so he's now shown up in this Arthurian tale and he sees himself as having the birthright to be king. So they've been in this battle together and then Arthur defeats him. And Arthur says to Uriens,
So now come serve me, know, I need good Knights in my service. So come join me, be part of what we're here doing. And Urien's saying, I won't serve a squire. You know, he's just a mere boy. You know, like he's not even a knight at this point, Arthur. No, I will not serve you. And then Arthur hands him the sword, hands Escalibur and says, Yes, you're right, knight me. So he's put this powerful weapon, this fated weapon in the hands of his enemy, knelt before him, making him vulnerable, opening himself up fully to the moment. What a brave act, what a valorous act. And then Uriens is hearing the cry of his followers, kill him, kill him. You know, this is your time. This is your birthright. And in the film, I've just gone back and actually watched the clip myself. You can see him wrestling with this kind of, know, what should I do? What's right? What's fated? I could literally, you know, cut off Arthur's head and this would all be done. And then he realises, yeah, this is, this is what's true and knights Arthur. And then agrees to join him in service. What an incredible moment, archetypal moment of what valour and in that moment is both Arthur and Uriens, both are displaying valour in their own way. this, again, going from this idea of control where we're constantly protecting ourselves against life, we're gripping on tightly to that moment where Arthur kneels, submits himself to whatever will come. That level of openness, my goodness, what a model, what an example. And then the line that stood out to me when you mentioned this earlier was the 21st Gene Key So each of the Gene Keys which has like a single line that kind of summarises that Gene Key.
And the one for the 21st is the demise of hierarchy, which that scene speaks of so well. And my childhood notion of the masculine is better than the feminine, just it collapses all of that.
So I think I've kind of, to some extent, given a snippet at least of my own wild sovereign soul path and also where I am, I guess I could give us more sort of material real life examples of where I am, but I just felt like just sharing this is very like as of this morning, how I've been journeying feels like for the moment enough. Of course, both of us will be sharing more as we continue to do these shows. Is there anything you would like to add or say before we move into the secret questions from the team?
Jonathan (58:24)
No, I don't think so. I think, yeah, I think it's certainly time to go to the questions that neither of us know what we're going to be asked.
Lian (58:37)
Okay, so do you want to go first? As I've been doing a lot of talking. Mind you, say now I'm going to go first because it's you that will then talk in response. So that would probably make more sense. Okay. So the question is from the lovely magical Michelle on the team. And it is, if you could bottle one of my, as in Lian's,
Jonathan (58:40)
I can, I'll.
Lian (59:05)
qualities to dispense out into the world, what would it be? I'll ask that again. If you could bottle one of my, as in Lian's, qualities to dispense out into the world, what would it be?
Jonathan (59:18)
what a question. So first of all, I just need to say, Lian, Lian's soul ship has come laden with so many gifts. It's that's that's not let me just try and be with that and see which which one wants to come up because I'm like, I'm straight away drawn to arguably one of the most powerful ones, but I'm just when I'm thinking through the lens of to give that to offer that to the world for them to taste that experience of that gift. It obviously changes it quite a bit.
Yeah, yeah, okay. It would be Lian's nature of incredibly beautiful nature of how much she loves herself, and cares for herself. And it's very, very rare that Lian will ever be really hard on herself. Like I can be brutal on myself. That when I feel outward into the world of what would be like soothing balm for them, it would be for them to experience that level of self-love and it's not that I need to say this to the listeners because they'll know but it's not like an inflated self-love it's the most natural beautiful like Lian is the well and it comes from the well to truly have that level of gnosis to it like there is no place for anything that goes against the self and so it would It would be for the world to get to experience what that level of self-love and self-care is.
Lian (1:01:32)
Thank you. I was not imagining you were going to say that, but it makes so like, you're so right. as something to, well, medicine for the world as we say. Yeah, that would change so much. Thank you. Over to you.
Jonathan (1:01:37)
Neither did I. But that's what
So there is an equally amazing question also from the very magical Michelle.
And it is, what is the most valuable lesson you, then in brackets, Lian, have learned by working together?
Lian (1:02:15)
Let me pause, so interesting.
So if I can just restate that so I can hear myself say it, but also just check I've understood it correctly. So it was the most valuable lesson I've learned in us working together, you and I.
Gosh, is so, every time I think I know the answer, it's like I get taken another level deeper below that. And then I think, this is the answer that I get pulled another level deeper below that. So I'm going to answer from what seems where I've got to, but I could probably sit with this and end up going deeper and deeper and deeper, but we don't have all day. So, what occurred to me was how through our differences and the challenges that have come through those differences, but also through just the gauntlet that doing our soul work into the world provides to anyone who is brave and somewhat foolhardy or sometimes seem to do so.
through those kind of combined tensions, I at times have behaved at my absolute worst. You have seen me, I would arguably, yeah, I would say you've seen me behave my absolute worst than I have with any other human being. And...
What I've learned through that is so many things actually, so it's hard to actually boil it down to one thing, to be, to have someone who is, and I guess it was a point at which we're like, yeah, okay, our souls chose that. Probably took longer for my human to catch up with that truth, but to have someone who's like, yeah, you were here doing this. We'll keep working through all of what we're here to work through.
There is something so… so potent to like have the opportunity to be brought present to myself or what's in the way of really me being myself over and over over and over again without really being made wrong for it. Like in the moment we might be making each other wrong, but when we zoom out, we kind of recognise like this is all perfect too. This is all giving me that like humbling excruciating opportunity to really see myself and it's actually got nothing to do with you, Jonathan, and what's being ⁓ provided to me to see, but then also work through together with you. And so what's the most valuable thing I've learned? I think there is like, there's no real way of us avoiding ourselves. Like we're gonna meet ourselves over and over and over again. On our wild sovereign soul path and...
What I've learned is the greatest gift of all is to recognize it as a gift. And if you can find someone who is willing to walk that path with you, as indeed you are for me, Jonathan, my goodness, like run towards that, grab that with both hands, even and especially when you want to do the absolute opposite. So thank you for being that for me and forgiving me that greatest lesson.
Jonathan (1:06:28)
when it is an incredible honour and blessing and thank you for being that for me. And I'm sure over the course of these new shows, we'll share many more of these instances that come up. Some incredibly funny, some just very revealing in how perfect they are and how that material
is again, some people will will hear that. And there'll be a deep ache and longing in their heart for that. I wish I had that. I want that. And they'll but yet there'll be some that maybe have that feeling. And that person's already in their life, really frustrating and annoying them. And pushing the buttons that only they can push. And I know there's differences. I'm not trying to say everyone in your life is that person.
Lian (1:06:59)
That's the trick isn't it? Recognising it. Yeah, exactly.
Jonathan (1:07:26)
But I can just appreciate, I was just feeling the ripples of that land into the many different types of beautiful beings on this planet and feeling that. And it is the greatest of gifts. Again, when you can hopefully do what open to what we're here for is to awaken people to their soul, the wild sovereign soul, that path. And when you have that and you can meet this from a sovereign place when we can be with the perfection of, of course I'm in response. I'm in reaction speaking of myself now, because Liana has just perfectly done whatever was needed to do to have that part of me feel what it needed to feel. ⁓ it's, it's a real blessing. And like I, spoke to at the beginning, I've only recently created something for
Lian (1:08:10)
Hey.
Jonathan (1:08:25)
for Lian were in the, what I believe are the last sort of vestiges of what I'm fine tuning in my shadow. It comes up a lot in response. And we had some incredible breakthroughs only last week, didn't we, around this. And it is the gift that keeps on giving. And so whoever you have in your life, if, you know, as long as this isn't a toxic, you know, abusive thing, clearly I just want to caveat by saying that there's
Lian (1:08:39)
Mmm.
Jonathan (1:08:54)
always the most beautiful opportunities to rise into sovereignty, center yourself into your soul and to see the great gift and opportunity that is here that you have chosen, that you are right where you need to be right now. And boy is it worth it. But I'm certainly not going to sit here and try and say it's all amazing. Trust me, it is. But there are moments where it isn't. with put
Lian (1:09:09)
Okay.
Jonathan (1:09:24)
over 11 years of repetition into that. You imagine the perfect alchemy of polar opposites. We were 11 years plus deep into that journey and it is
Lian (1:09:26)
You
Jonathan (1:09:39)
still providing so much for both of us. So thank you, Michelle, for those incredible questions and I'm sure we'll expand much more on both of what we spoke to in the coming shows.
Lian (1:09:56)
Yeah, I'm just actually going to briefly before we close, I'm going to answer the question Michelle gave me, I'm going to answer it about you. That was in a mangle in my mind then. So I'm going to say if I could bottle one of Jonathan's qualities dispense out into the world, what would it be? And I didn't directly speak about this, but it was kind of implicit in everything I just shared. You have, I would say, an exceptionally rare level of It's a combination of almost like forgiveness, patience, understanding, devotion, where your ability to see that someone's behaviors, choices are coming from their wounding. Are coming from a lack of consciousness and even if they are impacting you in some way, however great, your ability to not react, not judge, not kind of whatever would be the almost like normal response to that. I've seen over the years and I remember when we very first met. You were telling me, I'm not going to go into details right now, but you were telling me of kind of your experiences with one of your ex-girlfriends. And I was like stunned. And I'm actually a really forgiving person myself in my own way, but it's a different quality to this. Like when you were describing what happened and you weren't doing it in a way where you're trying to make yourself out to be saintly. In fact, I think if anything, it was kind of like, you were almost a little bit like, God, you know, like what I did in this.
I was so struck by your just absolute acceptance and love for that soul. And so this is a long way to say, I think your ability to see and love the soul in a person, despite beyond however their behavior is showing up in the moment.
My goodness, I suppose in some ways we could say, you know, I've got that ability of great self love. You've got that ability of great love for others. My goodness. If we could pour that medicine out into the world, it'd be a very different place. So that's, that's what I would, would love to close this conversation with because it felt an important. yeah, I really wanted to just let people know who Jonathan really is. And I think that's.
Jonathan (1:12:41)
Mmm. Beautiful.
Lian (1:12:54)
One of those qualities that anyone that gets to know you even a little would experience.
Jonathan (1:13:00)
Thank you. That is I feel very touched and that's a beautiful to receive. And I agree with the polarity there. I actually felt that earlier when we were speaking, I was like, that's interesting. I can kind of feel how yeah, that inward versus external. And so yeah, thank you for blessing me and hopefully somebody blessing the listeners with that too.
Lian (1:13:22)
So anything you would like to say before we close? We've gone on for much longer than planned. I think this is our last exchange before we close on this month's episode. So what is there to be said?
Jonathan (1:13:42)
Yeah, indeed. And in some ways to plan as I in some ways, I'm the one that was saying at the beginning, okay, let's plan, let's get a framework. So I don't need to overthink this. And today's like, let's take away the plan. Let's just have him go however he wants to go. And so I feel it's honored that and knowing that we have the frequency.
Lian (1:13:58)
hahahaha
Jonathan (1:14:10)
of these shows coming up and knowing that they, you, the listeners, the viewers are going to get more and more of a sense of not just me and Lian, but what we're here to do and our individual soul paths and also those of the people we serve. feels like a beautiful start and there is just to say, there is so much more to come. So much more to come. And we now have the outlet, the amount of conversations we have and we're like, it'd be so good if we had this on recorded there so we could get this out on a podcast. Is precisely what this show is for. And so, yeah, I look forward to us being able to deliver that to you. And with that, I feel complete and yeah, anything you would like to see in closing.
Lian (1:15:16)
So what just came to mind? I was thinking, why did this come to mind? And I think I have the answer to why it came to mind. So last night, my family went to go and see Ray, the artist in
in concert at the O2. She was brilliant. And she was so authentic. I mean, talk about people kind of like that really have that awakening of their soul. It was so present at various points, not just musically, but the way she, I've never seen an artist engage with the audience in the way that she was. It was, yeah, just something. And long story short, one point she was, I think she's written a whole song about this, but she was talking about her, I think it was her mother, yes it was her mother, would always say these four words, it's gonna be alright, it's gonna be alright. And she had the whole audience just say those words on repeat over and over again like a chant, it's gonna be alright. And I was like, why has that just come to mind? And it's this, listening to everything we've talked about, we've talked about myths and legends and you know all kinds of these like you know big stories and all the things we've spoken about. And when we're in a situation where life feels hopeless, life feels so hard, it's so easy to lose touch with the greater meaning behind all of this. We can be so, I mean, it really is a disconnection from that, which is totally understandable. It's not a tool to say, you know, how silly that is, it's to say like, this is the game that we're playing down here. It's like, we will forget over and over again why we're here. And so there's a couple of things I wanted to end with. One is, whoever you are, have you're going through.
It's gonna be all right.
You will remember again. You will remember your soul again. You remember that you're not alone. There is endless support, guidance, love in so many different ways. Just waiting for you to see it, open to it, experience it, to remember. And this really, I guess, brings
Jonathan (1:17:48)
remember.
Lian (1:17:56)
Brings us to why we do the work we do in all the different ways we do it is because sometimes that help, that guidance, that support, that love comes in human form, which of course is what we, know, everything we do with our students and clients.
Yeah, come join us in whatever way is right for you. If you're not already with us, there's a number of different ways. I've probably, if you're listening to this now after hearing my intro right at the beginning that I'm going to record in the future. One of the ways is to join us in Unio, which is at bemythical.com slash Unio. And it is a community of wild sovereign souls journeying this path, our own path, but the shared path together back home.
And then we also have, which we entered into more detail in our last episode together. So just going to touch on this very briefly. We have got an upcoming, probably three month Wild Sovereign Soul Course, which again is all about guiding people to awaken.
and go deeper many of the people joining us already would say you know I'm absolutely have set foot on my own wild sovereign soul path and this is an opportunity to go deeper for those people so we'll be doing that at some point over the coming months and we don't yet have we've got so much going on in the background as we do the final stage of the rebirth to wild sovereign soul but you can risk your interest at bemythical.com slash WSS and again
This isn't about me, you know, trying to do a little nice sort of sales message at the end. It's really to say genuinely speaking, you don't need to do this alone. This is again, the heart of why we do what we do is so that we can all walk the hard path home together.
Jonathan (1:19:54)
Beautiful. And I'll just add a slight little bit to that is so often in this modern world, are sold the dream that there's some place we'll get to and then that's it. We're free. We've done what we need to do. We're home and everything will unfold from there where the journey of one's soul
Lian (1:20:07)
Okay. Okay.
Jonathan (1:20:24)
never stops. Never stops.
Know, I've often if someone asks us, how long will it take for me to connect with my soul? It's like, well, how long 30/40/50 years, you know, that will often have people come to us in that 40s 50s or 60s and say, why has it taken this long, because it takes that long. And in the same way with the Gene Keys that we've mentioned often today, this is something you keep cycling around.
you keep cycling around and coming home. It's the same with wild sovereign soul with awake with reclaiming your wildness, actualising your sovereignty and awakening your soul. That is a cycle. It's not a one and done thing. And so part of why we were called deeply into this rebirthing and rebranding as wild sovereign soul is to create a journey.
That will at least be once, maybe even twice a year, where you can cycle through everything that we do and you'll get to do that with other like soul people. And I say that because it's something that I know can maybe come up for a number of people who've maybe done work with us before and think, I kind of have that down where it's just like saying, I've got the Gene Keys down.
I don't need the Gene Keys anymore. It's like, no, life is a constant cycle and you're always evolving. And the more we get to journey inward and outward into the modern world through the wild sovereign soul path is so incredibly precious. And that isn't therefore, I'm trying to say therefore you need to go do this. just want to speak that out there because it isn't spoken of enough.
We just seem to have this sense of, I need to do something and then I'm good. And that may well be the case when it comes to passing your driving test or something like that, you know, of course, if there's many of those things in life. But when it comes to the journey of the soul, and I don't say that as almost like a burden of a, it'll never end. It's the most beautiful journey there is. It's the most worthwhile thing anyone can devote their life to. But it is a long journey.
Lian (1:22:21)
Hmm.
Jonathan (1:22:45)
and it is one that goes round and round and round with the cycles of the sun until we're blessed to evolve into wherever we're meant to go next. And yeah, I just felt called to speak into that at the end.
Lian (1:23:01)
Hmm. It just, I was looking out on my garden that's coming alive to spring at the moment. I was like, yeah, just like you're saying, if you are a gardener, you're not really looking for that one and done. It's you come back over and over again another year of I've just brought out all of my pots of bulbs and I've yet to deadhead my lavender and are we doing the same again the next year and the next year and the next year? If I'm graced with those years, yeah, you just you don't orientate it as something to finish.
Jonathan (1:23:16)
Hmm.
Beautiful example. Because, well, it's such a great metaphor analogy, because what a gardener or anyone brings is curiosity. It's what's new, what's going to be different. Whereas what where we can often approach is from a place of fear. And curiosity being the antidote to fear. I thought that was such a beautiful example of the garden, because I felt you for a moment. going out into your garden and changing seasons and just curiously, look, look, wow. and then like the journey that that beautifully takes you on. So I love that you shared that.
Lian (1:24:11)
Well, this is us done for another month. And thank you everyone that's listened. This has been a long one. I don't imagine future ones will be quite so long, but again, there was a bit of scene setting that felt important for us to do. And...
Jonathan (1:24:28)
Mm-hmm.
Lian (1:24:31)
Thank you for being with us as we shared our own souls. I'm sending you so much love.
Jonathan (1:24:37)
Thank you. Journey well, soul seekers. Journey well.
Lian (1:24:43)
I really hope you enjoyed this episode. are some of big takeaways. Autoimmune and mystery conditions so often have a soul call at their root as you heard us reflect upon. And there comes a point where stopping the attempt to cure them and beginning to understand what they are communicating can change everything. The Gene Key spheres of life's work and evolution tend to be precisely the ones we most resist forget and keep cycling back to, as though they know we are not yet ready for their full power material for liberation and then they simply wait until we're ready. When two people with genuinely polar opposite natures commit to using each other as the material for the liberation over years and even decades, what unfolds is certainly not always comfortable, but is without question the work.
If you'd like to hop on over to the show notes for the links, they're at bemythical.com slash podcast slash five three nine. And as you heard me say earlier, if you're struggling with the challenges of walking your soul path in this crazy modern world and long for guidance, kinship and support, come join us in UNIO, the community for soul seekers. You can discover more and join us by hopping on over to bemythical.com slash UNIO now. Let's walk the path home together.
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