How your strange dreams reveal hidden limits and powers - Jane Teresa Anderson
Episode 536, released 18th February 2026.
Dream analyst Jane Teresa Anderson explains how dreams process your recent experiences in the brain, why lucid moments and “special power” dreams arise, and how to interpret dream symbols through your own lived associations rather than fixed meanings.
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Jane Teresa Anderson BSc Hons is a dream analyst, dream therapist, and author of seven books on dreams, with an Honours degree in Zoology specialising in developmental neurobiology. She has researched dreams since 1992 and works with clients worldwide.
In this second episode together, Lian and Jane return to Jane’s core understanding of dreams as the mind processing the last day or two of experience, conscious and unconscious, then reaching back through memory to update beliefs and internal limits.
Lian brings a recent vivid dream for them to work with, filled with seeming absurdities, special powers, and a lucid moment.
They explore what changes when lucidity enters a dream, whether becoming aware sharpens the insight or interrupts the process, and why extraordinary dream experiences, flying, hyper speed, resonant sound, often coincide with moments of personal threshold in waking life.
Listen if you’ve ever woken from a lucid or unusual dream thinking “what on earth was that?” and want a clear, practical way to understand what your mind is actually working through.
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What you’ll learn from this episode:
Why a dream can present as conflict without fear, and what that reveals about inner change already underway
How a lucid moment inside a dream can mirror a shift in awareness happening in waking life
What happens when your dreaming mind pushes against the edge of what you believe is possible
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Lian (00:01)
How does your mind use dreams to update what you believe is possible? Hello, my beautiful soul seekers. This week I'm joined once again by dream analyst, Jane Teresa Anderson to explore how dreams process your recent experiences, why lucid moments and special power dreams arise and how to interpret dream symbols for your own lived associations rather than fixed meanings. But first, if you've just arrived here, welcome. If you've come back, welcome home. And if you keep finding yourself here without subscribing, your soul clearly knows what it's doing. Honour that call and go ahead and subscribe.
Jane is a dream analyst, dream therapist and author of seven books on dreams. She has researched dreams since 1992 and works with clients worldwide. We first returned to Jane's core understanding of dreams as the mind processing the last day or two of experience, conscious and unconscious, and then reaching back through memory to update beliefs and internal limits. Then I bring a recent vivid dream for us to work with as an example.
It was filled with seeming absurdities, special powers and a lucid moment. So it's perfect for the purposes of this episode. We explore what changes when lucidity enters a dream, whether becoming aware sharpens the insight or interrupts the process and why extraordinary dream experiences such as flying, hyperspeed, resonant sound, often coincide with moments of personal threshold in waking life.
So listen, if you've ever woken from a lucid or unusual dream thinking, what on earth was that? I want a clear, practical way to understand what your mind is actually working through. And before we jump into all of that goodness, it's challenging to live in this crazy modern world. The wild sovereign soul path is what we know will help.
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and now back to this week's episode. Let's dive in.
Lian (02:57)
Hello Jane, a huge welcome back to the show.
Jane Teresa Anderson (03:01)
Thank you for having me again, Lian It's a pleasure.
Lian (03:04)
It really is my pleasure. was just saying there is definitely a personal pleasure involved in coming back to record with you. I mean, I find the topic of dreams and the way you particularly work dreams fascinating anyway, but as I shared, was like my psyche was like, we're going to give you something really juicy to work with. So I had a great dream last night to share. So yeah, I'm really looking forward to this.
Jane Teresa Anderson (03:31)
People so often say that to me, know, I knew I was going to meet you, so therefore I had this really big dream last night. I felt responsible for people's dreams.
Lian (03:42)
You are, you are. So talking about the way you particularly work dreams, obviously this is our second episode together and we went really deep in that in our first episode, but for people who either haven't listened to that or could do with a reminder, would you just give a quick sense as to the way that you personally work with dreams and how that perhaps differs for how people typically think of dream work.
Jane Teresa Anderson (04:11)
Yes, so I look at dreams as the mind or the brain processing, which it is, processing your most recent experiences. So you're processing your conscious and your unconscious experiences. First of all, over the last one or two days, because you've gone to bed and your brain's going, OK, I've to process all of that. And then whatever you're processing will resonate with things from your past. So if you're processing a particular feeling of irritation about a certain issue, then your dreaming mind, brain or mind might go back to say a time when you were 15 or 25 or three when a similar situation came up. And it's going back and comparing what your experiences were in the last couple of days compared to when you've had similar experiences in the past with a whole objective of the dream helping your mindset to update. So the idea is that or the way that it works is that your mindset is going, did my experiences yesterday, conscious and unconscious, have they compounded the beliefs I already had, the beliefs I had when I was little, when I was younger, and am I going to wake up in the morning and basically discount yesterday's experiences and just wake up firmer and firmer in my concrete foundational beliefs, which is what often happens? Or is my dreamy mind going to go, you know what?
Lian (05:17)
Hmm
Jane Teresa Anderson (05:32)
I'm going to override or discard those earlier foundational beliefs, particularly the limiting beliefs. And I'm going to build a whole new structure, a whole new way of looking at life. And you wake up with that. So I look at the dream as a window into your mindset. How is your mindset processing your experiences in life? Is it updating to help you? Is it kind of stuck in the past? And what can we do about this? So in that kind of sense, I look at dreams as being all about you, the dreamer, all about how your mindset, how you are processing your experiences in life and whether that is serving you well or whether it's serving you not as well as it could, in which case we make tweaks.
Lian (06:14)
Hmm, beautiful. Thank you really well encapsulated. I was recalling last time we worked with a dream that I'd had that was quite out there in the themes. It weren't things that were part of my everyday life, but there was, it was so interesting seeing how you were working with it in a way that what did those things mean to me as opposed to say archetypally or symbolically.
which really allowed me to see things that had been real benefit in working as I typically will more archetypically and symbolically, but there was definitely aspects of the way that you and I looked at it together that gave me this, ah, this is something I hadn't seen through that way I'd normally work with it. So again, it's fascinating to me because so many of my dreams aren't really obviously me processing my day.
And so that was a really good example for me of like, still is things that I'm processing, just not in the kind of typical everyday way that we might think of it.
Jane Teresa Anderson (07:19)
That's right. Not in the language.
It doesn't actually look like your last cup of And when I start with people to begin with, go, no, no, no, there's no way. That just did not happen. And the main reason for that is that, as we discussed last time, the front of your brain, the prefrontal cortex, which is kind of nice and tidy and organized and logical, that bit's not really working too well when you're asleep. So it's left with the rest of your brain to do the processing. So it's coming up with a more surreal, touchy, feely, kind of metaphorical.
Lian (07:27)
Yes.
Hmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (07:49)
kind of feeling for what the day was about. And then my job with the dream was to work through that and bring it back down to, yeah, so how is this related to the actual experiences you're processing? On a side note, I think it's great that we dream that way because it makes our dreams far more exciting and memorable.
Lian (07:57)
Mmm.
Yeah. My gosh. Can you imagine how boring? Because sometimes we do have those more processed dreams where we are literally just processing. I heard them describe the other day as Tetris dreams, where, you know, when people play a game like Tetris, very repetitive, rhythmic, and then their dreams are basically them doing that. So we can have those, but thankfully we don't have too many of those because that really would be boring.
Jane Teresa Anderson (08:10)
Yes. Yeah. It would be terrible. I mean, I sometimes do have clients that only have what you just called Text to Dreams. And they say, you know, I hear all the dreams you talk about in your podcasts and people, and my dreams really boring, but I still want help. And I can still help them in the same way. So I do wonder when some people, whether there's a bit more activity here. No, we can still work with the dreams, but they're not. Yeah, they're sometimes a bit prosaic.
Lian (08:42)
Mmm.
interesting.
Hmm. Yeah. fascinating. Well, that's quite a good counterpoint because in this conversation, our intention is to look at the more, I guess, unusual dream experiences. And so there's a number of different ways that we can look at this. But as we've just been saying, you see that we are ultimately processing our last couple of days experiences, even if they're through the lens of kind of metaphors and symbols.
and then I wanted to look at some of the things that perhaps are a little bit different to the typical dream experience. so including things like lucid dreams and kind of almost like a special powers in dreams. as well as anything else that you want to share that you'll use, you see happen for your clients. that again, are perhaps a little bit unusual. So I will, perhaps just as an example to start with that perhaps we can kind of use as a, almost like a case study that we can kind of weave from. My dream last night, it was actually quite a big dream. A lot went on and it was only this particular segment that was lucid, but I'll give as much as I can in terms of briefly the wider context which, it was so strange. don't even know if I fully understood what was going on in the dream and I don't have exact recall of the whole dream, but there was a sense of both almost like a going to war and also an investigation taking place. But the characters were a little bit like something out of Alice in Wonderland. Like nothing was quite normal.
And there wasn't really a sense of threat. It was more just like, there's a puzzle to solve kind of feeling to it. It wasn't like a scary, desperate dream. It was more just like, how strange? Like we are going to seek something out or to, and I remember looking and there was these figures that reminded me of the Queens guards in Alice in Wonderland. They were dressed in red and I could sort of see them dotted around. And I was just noticing all of it and being kind of, part of this group moving towards something. And then the lucid part was, was in this sort of vehicle, that's a generous word for it, you wish you were here in a moment. It was most like a rubber dinghy that was white with spots, possibly pink spots, like polka dots. And...
Jane Teresa Anderson (11:20)
You
Lian (11:34)
We were about, I was with a couple of the people, we were about to go into what reminded me a bit of an underground station. And I was thinking we could go much faster if we worked out how to use this vehicle thing properly. And I was aware that there was a way you could make it move much faster by a particular kind of harnessing of your energy.
Where I was saying to the other people, if we can harness our energy to do this, it's going to kind of like hyper speed it. And then I had this realisation in the dream of, how interesting. I'm reaching the limits of what I believe is possible because this isn't real. This isn't this thing that I'm trying to do. And even this vehicle isn't possible in waking life. I'm like, up against it in my dream life. Can I move past this belief of what is and isn't possible? And I was so aware of that in the dream of like, this is challenging, because I'm needing to like, almost intentionally move past my beliefs of what, you know, where the limits lie.
Jane Teresa Anderson (12:34)
Yeah.
Lian (12:49)
I think I may have been woken up. don't remember what then happened after that, unfortunately. But that was my last part of the dream of like, this is so interesting. I'm getting to try something here that I can't normally do. Will I be able to do it here? So that was the dream. it combines this idea of powers. And again, we can have lots of dreams that kind, can't we? know, it could be flying. Being able to, I guess, move through material objects, and then also this theme of lucidity. So I'm going to kind of throw that over to you as a case study for us to have a look at in the first instance, but I would like to explore each of those different themes within it kind of more generically as well.
Jane Teresa Anderson (13:32)
Yeah, fantastic.
Well, we'll start with, I just want to ask you about the Queen's Guards. When you think about the Queen's Guards, maybe you think about reading, you know, your memories of reading Alice in Wonderland, but what's the kind of energy or the feeling of the Queen's Guards?
Lian (13:49)
Well, in Alice in Wonderland, I would say, um, I don't really think of them being a positive or I sort of think of them being a negative energy in the dream. It wasn't, it wasn't like that. It was more the fantastical aspect, like the way people were looking and dressed, um, and sort of standing out as different that was more like Queen's Guards as opposed to the feeling I had about them, if that makes sense.
Jane Teresa Anderson (14:20)
Yes, it does. So, you know, because when I was listening, my first thought was to think, there's So there's some sense of guarding yourself compared with later on in the dream, which was, I'm not going to guard myself with limited thinking or beliefs. I'm going to move beyond those. But you've described it in a different way. You've said that the that the Queen's guards had a bit of a negative energy. So, you know, to begin with, there's a feeling in the dream of I'm processing some kind of feeling of negative energy.
Lian (14:22)
Hmm
Jane Teresa Anderson (14:48)
Perhaps in the last one or two days you might have noticed yourself being a bit negative as we all do, no matter how positive we are, we catch ourselves thinking, oh, I can't do that, whatever. So catching a bit of negative energy, a bit of energy that you would normally guard or guard your boundaries or guard your perimeters or not move beyond that. But the other interesting thing was that you saw them in the dream as, did you say a bit different? Doing things differently, looking different?
Lian (15:13)
Yes, it was like, there was almost a cartoon like aspect to that section of the dream and those particular figures. And I have a sense there was a central figure that was leading them who was female, but not, she didn't remind me of the queen in Alice in Wonderland. She didn't have those capabilities, not capabilities, that, feeling of the Queen. There was almost like a...
a female heroine sort of feeling towards her that I had in the dream. But again, it was like this sort of slightly larger than life or not exactly as they would look in waking life feeling.
Jane Teresa Anderson (16:02)
In real life, yes.
Okay. So in our dreams, we do encounter the larger than life aspects of ourselves, because we're talking about boundaries here in limits and moving beyond them. So we, you know, we can think larger than life is larger than the life that I currently lead. I'm leading my life at the moment, and it's this big, which could be enormous, probably is enormous for you. But your life could be even bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.
Lian (16:17)
Hmm.
Mmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (16:29)
So there's that sense thereof as a part of yourself that knows that you could be bigger, that there's more to life than this. And yet in contrast to that, you've kind of got these guards as a part of yourself guarding. But they've got the cartoon element, which often in a dream I notice when people have cartoons or something really funny happens. More often than not, it's because they have actually just in waking life began to transcend a limitation, to move forward slightly in some area of their life.
And in the dream, it's almost like seeing the funny side of where you were at. my God, did I really believe those were my limits? Did I really believe my powers stopped there? Did I really think that life was like that? Because when we do break through our limitations, we do tend to have that feeling, don't we? look back and go, that's it. Yeah, yeah, but it's all just an illusion, isn't it? So there's that kind of feeling in your dream, too, that what might have been kind of a guard for me before.
Lian (17:03)
Hmm.
They look so real at the time, yeah.
Jane Teresa Anderson (17:26)
And you did say something about them being a bit different. something about I, Lian being a bit different, perhaps being a way of guarding myself in some way. But I'm seeing that in the dream as a bit of negative energy. Isn't that funny? Because I'm kind of moving through and past that now. And in fact, I've got this vehicle that's going to take me this dinghy, pink-spotted dinghy, that's going to take me. We'll come to the pink-spotted bit in a minute. It's going to take me underground. Was it underground or was it undersea?
Lian (17:48)
What was that?
Yes, it was like, as if we needed to get to the other side of this underground sort of tunnel stroke, you know, like tube underground station. It felt like a mix between the two. And the idea was to get to the other side.
Jane Teresa Anderson (18:13)
Right, okay. So the idea was to get to the other side of the limited belief or the smaller life that I thought that I had. And I'm now breaking out of that and I need to get to the other side and I have a vehicle and a way of doing that. It involves going underground, which probably means more into my unconscious mind. So it's more like your unconscious mind in the last one or two days has been shifting and changing and maybe just releasing the guards a bit and releasing a bit of negative energy and realising that life could be bigger and moving through this and your dream is processing. processing it and saying, yes, so we were in the unconscious here. It hasn't quite hit consciousness yet. That will happen in the next few days. But we're working through this unconscious to get to the other side. And just backtracking slightly, because I do want to come to the pinks body boat, but backtracking slightly, you introduced the whole dream, think, by saying it felt like it was a puzzle to solve, but it was also a war that you were going into. So going into it.
Lian (19:06)
Yes, but not the typical feelings you associate with war. It was like so many people in the sense of kind of we have a challenge that we're kind of that we're moving towards together. But I didn't have any of the kind of I didn't have any fear or anything like that. But there was it was sort of somewhere between a puzzle and a war.
Jane Teresa Anderson (19:15)
Okay.
No, that makes perfect sense. So we could also say wars are usually conflicts in real life. It's a conflict between this country and this country. And maybe in your dream, it's a conflict that you are now working through. And it's great that you will feel all the people you were with. It's like to me, it's like all aspects of myself are on board with this. We're not, we're enjoying the challenge of this change. It feels like a puzzle. It doesn't feel like a major war or major conflict, but I realise obviously because
Lian (19:35)
Mmm.
Mmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (19:56)
the way that life is, is that we have all our conflicts and that's why we have our boundaries and our guards. And then as we overcome those conflicts, we move out a bit more and a bit more and a bit more. So there's this definite lovely moving that you've got. And I think the Alice in Wonderland theme kind of ties into that shifting illusions. We know at a certain stage in our life that this is an illusion. And as we break those illusions and move forward, the illusion shifts and change. So there's kind of acknowledgement you dream of things shift and change and things that I thought that I could do before, powers that I thought I had can now be transcended. can do so much more. And I'm acknowledging that in my unconscious mind. So it's a dinghy. Of all the boats and all the vehicles that could possibly be, what are the pluses and minuses of a dinghy?
Lian (20:43)
Hahahaha
Jane Teresa Anderson (20:53)
What's the advantages? What kind of dingy do that other vehicles can't do and what and vice versa?
Lian (21:03)
So I don't think in my dream I was thinking it is a dinghy. It just, if I now recall it back, that would be the most obvious description. And so I don't think, I think there obviously had some sort of dinghy like qualities for that to be the case, but definitely in the dream I wasn't thinking, we're about to get into a pink spotted dinghy, but it did literally look like a dinghy.
Jane Teresa Anderson (21:19)
Yes
So describe, apart from the pink spotty,
what made it look like a dinghy?
Lian (21:35)
It was diggy shape. So it was that size and shape of a kind of, know, lightness, you know, almost like an inflatable type view of it. The idea that you'd be kind of inside with slightly raised outside.
Yeah, yeah, had a sort of like a lightness to it that was very dingy,
Jane Teresa Anderson (22:03)
So if everyone and everything in a dream represents an aspect of the dreamer, the dinghy or the vehicle you were moving in represented a part of yourself, the part of yourself that is currently investigating moving forward past these barriers into something new. So the fact that you described that it had a lightness around it was really good. So it's a part of myself that's feeling light and free. with my ability to move, wow, I was really held back before, but look, I'm so light and inflatable as well, which kind of fits with you mentioning earlier on about it being large, something being larger than life, the Alice in Wonderland thing being larger than life. So it's inflatable dingy. like, it's not an inflated ego. It's not that. It's like, yeah, I can be larger and lighter. I can be larger and lighter and I can move forward in a different way. And hey, isn't this easy?
Lian (22:42)
Mmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (22:56)
I just want to know why I want to know why it had pink spots. What does the pink colour mean to you?
Jane Teresa Anderson (23:07)
Or is it pink spots like measles
or chicken pox or something?
Lian (23:12)
No, no, I think it was a P. I remember actually talking about things having a kind of humorous quality. I remember even in the dream thinking this is quite funny. I remember looking at it thinking, that's not your typical vehicle. I'm thinking how funny it was that it had these polka dots. So I love the color pink. It's one of my favorite colors. And Yeah, it was quite appealing. had a kind of, again, a slightly comical, it wasn't like the most elegant of prints, let's say, but it's, I remember thinking it looked appealing. It wasn't a negative thing at all. It was more just like funny and appealing.
Jane Teresa Anderson (23:52)
Yes.
That's lovely. So you described it as not your typical vehicle. And a couple of times earlier in our conversation today, you've mentioned things not being typical or being different. So, you know, that's probably a recognition of I'm okay moving forward, not being your typical, fill in the blank. I don't know why. I'm not being your typical person, whatever. And I'm actually going forward with the pink spots with a sense of humor and seeing the funny side of things and alightness. you may...
Lian (24:00)
Mmm.
Mmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (24:23)
in the last couple of days, been breaking through from more of a sense of seriousness and heaviness and being in a smaller, in a limited way in some way. And you're now breaking through that. And part of that breaking and that lightness and that larger sense of life and that speed and tapping into powers that you previously didn't know you had because you felt held back. Some of that has to do with being more comfortable with being not your typical, whatever it is, you're not your typical person, your typical approach.
Lian (24:51)
Hmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (24:53)
And taking a lighter, like the dinghy too, that lighter, comical, more lighthearted point of view, would you say in the last couple of days, although this is all very unconscious at the moment, that there's a sense of breaking through into more the freedom of a more lighthearted approach to life?
Lian (25:11)
It's an interesting thing because I would say in general I am very light-hearted and
And so I'm recalling these last couple of days, if there's been a quality I can relate what you're saying to. It's certainly been, as I was sharing with you before we started recording, because we're in the midst of rebranding to Wild Sovereign Soul and it's been, you know, it's been tough in many ways to do this. Asked a lot of us in all kinds of ways. But I was noticing there was a particular feeling I had. was looking at our rebranded podcast on Spotify with Jonathan, the co-founder. And I said to him, it's really funny when I, whenever I see anything where it's got the new brand, Wild Sovereign Soul, it's got this strange quality of almost like relief. Like, that like, it's just this really interesting quality. It's not this
It does feel exciting and all of those things, but it's more this just like, at last this is right. Which is not what I'd imagine to, like, it doesn't match what you'd expect to feel. It's less of a kind of, it's a relief it's done. It's more a relief like this, I explained it a little bit, like if you reunited with a lost lover, like, at last we're back again. It has that quality.
Jane Teresa Anderson (26:32)
Yes!
Lian (26:48)
and so that's what springs to mind as you're saying it, it's felt tough to get to this point. And then it has this relief like quality, but not a relief just that it's done. It's something else that is not as I'd expect it to feel.
Jane Teresa Anderson (26:54)
Yes.
Yes.
my goodness, that is so good. And I've got one little thing that I want to say at the end and I must remember, I'm just gonna put it there and come back to that. So what you've described there is that lovely feeling of, and particularly probably unconsciously as programmed in the process in the dream, the relief is not the relief of just having done the work. It's something deeper that I really wanted to connect with and get out into the world. And I'm only just now realising how much I really wanted to.
Lian (27:08)
Okay.
Jane Teresa Anderson (27:30)
connect with the world in this way and connect within myself in this way. This is bringing something in me out into the world. That that I put over there was the name Spotify, which has got the name Spot in it. Yes. And that that's how much our dreams can sow these little seeds in, know, at some level you're processing. And when I was with Jonathan looking at Spotify, I noticed, this is wonderful. I'm making all this progress in your dream. Spot, spot.
Lian (27:41)
How funny!
Jane Teresa Anderson (27:59)
well, we'll put some pink spots on the boat. I think that kind of covers it. Was there any pink in the Spotify that you were looking at or pink in your rebranding or anything?
Lian (28:00)
We'll use that!
No, I can't think of the
the pink but I love that it's so literal
Jane Teresa Anderson (28:10)
And it happens time and time again that we'll be deep in the waters of a dream and this little thing will come out and it always makes me laugh and it always connects. That's where the spot came from. And it sounds so silly and it sounds random, but you were with Jonathan at that moment looking at Spotify when the relief hit you and when you realized it ran really deep and so you had that connection of spot.
Lian (28:23)
Yes, it's random spot.
Hmm.
Yes.
Jane Teresa Anderson (28:39)
You know, I don't think this is it, but I could say spot if I, if I only did this, you know, spot if I, there could be something in your particular Lianne's mind that doesn't see Spotify that sees spot. If I can do this, then why? So, you know, which is a sense of greater power. If I can do, you know, what, if I can do this with, and I don't know, I'm just suggesting that maybe why your mindset's kind of put pink spots.
Lian (28:50)
yes
Mmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (29:09)
making great progress. You can see some of the touch points. If we were spending a client hour, we'd spend an hour and we'd go deep and we would not have to think that other people were listening and we could go wherever we wanted to. But I think it's an incredibly, I know you want to talk about the lucid bit too, an incredibly positive and uplifting dream. And it's really captured that point where you're not only moving forward in a bigger sense, though you may not yet.
Lian (29:11)
Hehehehe. Mmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (29:39)
completely grasp what this bigger sense is, because it's still kind of quite unconscious. And I think that's why your dream came up with such a magnificent dream, because it was really grappling with this still at the unconscious level, still trying to put it all together. This wondrous, Alice in Wonderland, this wondrous thing, sometimes the words that I use come up to me as prompts for the dream, Alice in Wonderland, this wondrous thing that's happening for me in my life, I'm processing in my dream and trying to understand it. I'm trying to puzzle it out.
But you've got that sense of moving forward. So if at all you want, even though you turned lucid, before you turned lucid, before you turned lucid, you still had a sense of the power of the pink-spotted dinghy. Yeah.
Lian (30:09)
Mmm.
Yes, yes, because I was like, wow, this is and it felt magical as well. Like, in this, in this land, there are these strange vehicles. It was that kind of like, great, we can use that. It was that sort of sense.
Jane Teresa Anderson (30:33)
Yes. Okay, so in this land which I'm now entering, in this way of looking at life which I'm now entering, I can do all sorts of things. So because that was before you went lucid, it was still raw dream stuff. You can, I think we were talking last time about dream alchemy and how if there's, for example, a dream shows a limiting belief, you can bring in dream alchemy to begin to reprogram that limiting belief into something that is more.
Lian (30:59)
Hmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (31:02)
helpful for you. And if people are listening in, haven't listened to part one, they could really benefit from going back to listen to that bit.
And the opposite is also true. If your dream is really positive like that, you can kind of take a symbol and amplify it. So if over the next few days you're thinking, just losing a bit of that sense of empowerment and moving forward, you can just momentarily not even close your eyes, but get back into that contact of here I am in the pink spotted dinghy. It feels
Lian (31:21)
Hehehehe
Jane Teresa Anderson (31:30)
larger inflated, feels a sense of lightness. It's making me laugh because of the pink spots. It gives me a sense of, wow, how far can I go in this magical land where things are different? So just bringing back and reliving even while you're awake that sense, the sensuality of the image can help to sort of remind your unconscious mind that yes, that's the direction I'm choosing. We are going in this direction. The moment you turn lucid, things can change.
Lian (31:43)
Mmm
Mmm.
Can I just mention a couple of things for we, it feels really important. There was the word buoyant, as you were just saying, like when you can touch back into that, word buoyant just went straight into my, it's not a word that I'd ever normally use, but it was just suddenly really clear this word buoyant felt important. and then also when you were reflecting back what you heard in my experience of relief, seeing the new brand on Spotify.
Jane Teresa Anderson (32:01)
Yes.
Lian (32:27)
It really moved me. felt like this rush of emotion of kind of, yes, it's that there is something so much deeper that this is connecting into in terms of that kind of expression into the world. And I really felt like what you said, my being was saying, yes, it's that.
Jane Teresa Anderson (32:33)
Yes.
That is fantastic. And that is something that is magical and will often happen in work with a client that it will just be, and I can be unaware of it. It's just that, yes, what you said there clarifies, and it not only clarifies consciously that I understand it, but it's bringing up something in me that is recognizing this is still kind of coming up. My body is going, yeah, yes, yes, that's it. Yes, that's it. Which is really good.
Lian (33:05)
Hmm.
That's the one, yes.
Jane Teresa Anderson (33:14)
With a buoyant, I'm not sure, you know, I would go down looking at the word boy as in masculine, but what I think I got it when you said that your response to me saying that you realise it went really deep and deep is down there and buoyant is up here. So to me, there's a sense of what is deep is maybe coming up to the surface and I am feeling, yeah, and I'm feeling buoyant and I'm offering a buoyancy. There's the lightness, but I think coming up to the surface, a buoy.
Lian (33:29)
Mmm.
yes.
Mmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (33:43)
In the, well, I know what it is, but you tell me in your own words what a boy is, you know, a boy floating on the sea.
Lian (33:50)
Um, well, I suppose it has very similar, I suppose it's showing you that there's places, like it sort of shows you where the limits are, doesn't it, in a way? I guess that's what a boy is doing. Literally saying, here's where something ends and something begins. Hmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (34:00)
Yes.
Yes, that's right.
So that follows through with the ideas of limits and transcending them. It felt buoyant. It's uplifting. I can see limits. I'm pushing new limits. I'm moving my boys ahead a bit along those lines. Yeah.
Lian (34:11)
Hmm
Yes, yeah.
Yes, thank you. Sorry, I interrupted you about to go to the lucid part.
Jane Teresa Anderson (34:26)
Yeah, so once you go lucid, as you know, you're then, and I assume all our listeners understand what lucid dreaming is. Yes, for people that don't, yeah. So lucid dreaming is when, you know, in a normal dream, whatever is normal about dreams, when you're dreaming, you're totally convinced by the dream. It is real. You have no idea that you have a waking life.
Lian (34:33)
Would you mind giving a very quick definition just for people who are perhaps less familiar?
Jane Teresa Anderson (34:54)
And if it's a really frightening dream, that still doesn't shock you. It's absolutely life and death. And it's only when you wake up, go, gosh, I didn't know. Thank goodness that was a dream. It was a different reality. When you're in it, it's the only reality. When you're in a dream and some part of your mind or your brain goes hang on a minute. This is a dream because I'm actually asleep in bed and I've got a waking life. And you get that sense of a double reality. I've got two realities.
And you stay in the dream. That's when you say, I'm now lucid dreaming. I'm lucid and I'm clear that I am dreaming. So it's not like daydreaming. It's not like going back to sleep and kind of like trying to direct the dream a bit. It's not that it's waking up, but not waking up in bed, but becoming aware in the dream that I'm dreaming. And then you have basically two choices. One is to stand back and just go, wow, wow.
Look at that, look at that, look at that. I'm dreaming and watching everything that happens and feeling it. And the other one, which most people of course prefer is to take control. Right. So I'm going to fly first and then I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that because I'm perfectly safe. I know it's only a dream so I can do all these things and it's, you know, fantastic. So the moment that a dream becomes lucid, you can't really follow through with exploring and interpreting it from the point of view of what it
Lian (36:02)
Hehehehehe
Jane Teresa Anderson (36:21)
what's this meaning about me and how I'm processing my life because you've become conscious and you're changing it, you're interfering with it. And that's fun and it's great to do. And I often say to people, look, lucid dream is great, it's amazing, but my advice is not to set out and try to do it every night because some people love it so much. It's like, I'm going to learn all the tools and techniques and I'm going to go to sleep each night and I'm going to lucid dream.
Lian (36:23)
Mmm.
Mmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (36:47)
And although you can have a lot of fun with that, you're depriving your mind and your body and your brain from actually doing the processing that it needs to do. And you're depriving yourself of the material, the dream that comes out of that, that can help you so much to understand where you're at in your life and how you're processing it. Yeah.
Lian (36:58)
Hmm.
Mm.
Yes, that really makes sense. My daughter had a great example of this. I'll share this very briefly because people who perhaps haven't experienced lucid dream, this is such a great example, really simple one where my daughter dreamed of a boy that she's kind of in a sort of off on connection with. And then she said to me, and then in my dream, I thought to myself, Oh,
I just dreamed about him but I don't think I'm gonna tell him that I dreamed about him. I don't want to give him that satisfaction. Which really made me laugh. And so she was really, she said it was funny because I was aware in the dream that I had just dreamed about him. I thought in my, like when I wake up I'm not gonna tell him my dream. I just...
Jane Teresa Anderson (37:50)
Hehehehehe
I'm just going to tell my mom instead.
Lian (38:00)
is such a great example of a lucid dream. Anyway, so back to you. So I think we're going to look at my, which I thought was interesting, the way that I went lucid there, feels as though it was...
Jane Teresa Anderson (38:04)
hehe
Yeah, so.
Lian (38:20)
so directly related to the themes we were already talking about, it allowed me to kind of become even more conscious of this idea of limits and kind of where I am and what's possible.
Jane Teresa Anderson (38:25)
Yes.
Yes, yeah, the way that you did it, you didn't take over the dream. You were fully embodying it and sensing it. So it did. And because it wasn't a frightening dream, because it was already pretty good, you basically ⁓ amplified that in the dream as well. So I think in your case, it was helpful because it amplified it. It helped you to remember it. And you began to take notes like, I can see this is about limits and boundaries. Yeah.
Lian (38:33)
Mmm.
Mmm.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Yeah, certainly a, certainly a theme. And so in general, when we have those, it's not to say that I have no, intention to be able to dream lucidly. It's kind of a bit of a side project where I kind of dip in and out of, of, you know, wanting to lucid dream. but it feels as though that was very,
almost like organic. I feel like that could have happened at any point in my life whether or not I was trying to lucid dream if that makes sense. It feels as though there was something important about it just happening.
Jane Teresa Anderson (39:36)
Okay, yes, I'm wondering.
Yeah, I'm wondering. going to sound really weird but I'm wondering if in fact it wasn't a lucid dream but that you dreamt that it was a lucid dream yeah yeah yeah so that because that makes more sense to the fact that it it stayed on theme and it and it really kind of bolstered that feeling and you know to dream that you're lucid is to say basically I'm getting more clarity on my life
Lian (39:51)
Oh, I know what you mean. I can't explain what you mean by know what you mean.
Mmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (40:14)
I'm becoming lucid, I'm becoming really aware of these things in my life, which are shifting and changing. And it's like lucid dreaming, but not actually being lucid. I'm not saying that's what happened, but I'm wondering if that's what happened. Because the actual lucid dreaming will often give you more of a jolt, won't it? That, what am I going to do? Yeah.
Lian (40:27)
Mmm.
Yes, yeah,
that really makes sense. feel like it was sort of, we're in a really interesting sort of like liminal limbo space where it's kind of, yes, it's that and it's that and it, yes, it feels like it has that quality. I know exactly what you mean.
Jane Teresa Anderson (40:45)
Yes.
And I love what you say about liminal there too, because it's a lovely word that I have certainly used in the past and a lot of clients will use when you're aware that there's major changes in life, you've, in waking life, sorry, that in waking life you've been in this situation, which has come to an end for whatever reason, and you can see that you're going to be moving into this situation in between. It's not a bad feeling. It's a really strange, discombobulated feeling. And people often put the word liminal on it.
Lian (41:19)
Mmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (41:20)
And so for you to put that in the dream too, where you may not have been lucid, but you may have been liminal, it's that sense of things are really shifting and changing and I can't quite put words on it. I feel like I'm getting some kind of clarity. can't put words on it other than liminal. And when we go liminal, there's only one way to go and it's don't try to understand anything. Just accept this is liminal, you're in transition and just go with it with or without adding in waking life the occasional.
Lian (41:30)
Mm-hmm.
Mmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (41:50)
bolstering effective reimagining yourself in the pink spotted dinghy.
Lian (41:53)
Hmm. Of all things. So coming back to this idea of having powers in dreams where again, it could be flying. I remember one dream I had years ago that was so remarkable where it took place of all places at the bottom of we live on a country lane. It was the bottom of this other country lane that I live on and these figures approached me and they had a feeling of perhaps being Maybe from Africa and from like indigenous people. And so they were dressed and looked like that though they were still living in that kind of more traditional life way. And they came towards me and were open their mouths and were talking in this like just not even talking, but like resonating this pure sound, not, not speech, but not, not like singing, but just like a kind of like, like a sonar sound.
Jane Teresa Anderson (42:45)
Yeah.
Lian (43:03)
and directing it at me. And then I was like, my gosh, I can understand it and I can do this too. And it was this really vivid experience where I was so in the experience and just like, this is incredible. This is possible. Even in the dream, I was just like absolutely awed by this experience. And so there were these...
sort of special power dreams, I know myself, I've had all kinds of strange experiences like this, which to make no sense in waking life, I don't have those powers I'm aware of. But what is the what these kind of experiences telling us in dreams?
Jane Teresa Anderson (43:50)
So, yes, so again, I mean, incredible and lovely uplifting dreams to have and very meaningful. But again, remembering that the dreams don't appear to have the same logical steps as waking life, that they're dressed in different clothes. So if we just take down, not to take the magic away from it at all because it was magical, but we take that down to its basics. It's that something close to home, because you were close to home in the dream, something close to home.
I'm getting more in touch with something close to home, which is more traditional, more related to the old ways, not necessarily the old ways out there in society or culture, but the old ways within myself and our own indigenous nature maybe goes back to our own personal birth, or you may feel it goes back through generations, but I'm getting in contact with something that is not digital and IT and political. I'm getting in touch with something much deeper than that.
And your dreaming mind processes as a kind of vibration, as a tone. So, you know, whether in waking life you use the wording of lifting my vibration or attuning to something, you might say I'm getting in tune with something, in which case your dreaming mind might select plays on those words. So I don't know if you do, but you
Lian (44:55)
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (45:16)
Lian often says she's getting in tune with something. So you dream your brains go, okay, in tune. tune, we can do a tune. She's getting in tune with this deeper, more natural, traditional kind of sense. And you know, and or changing her vibration. And, and the way that you then had the special power in the dream is we are all infinitely far more powerful than we, we know.
Lian (45:23)
Hmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (45:45)
And being human, can't touch them. We usually can't touch those things at all. But at this stage in your dream, you are touching that sensation of, there's more to me. And at that particular time, we might then look back, well, you don't remember when it was, but in the last couple of days before that, were you getting a bit bogged down in electronics, modern life? Was there a need to get back in contact with something within yourself that was more ancient?
Lian (45:48)
Mm-mm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (46:12)
Or were you actually beginning to explore that and feeling a resonance with that? I think you used the word resonant in a dream. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So was I feeling the last couple of days a resonance with something deeper and your dreamy mind's going, yeah, we'll show you resonance. How about this?
Lian (46:17)
I did, well remembered, yeah
Hmm.
my bear, I'll show you resonance.
And would you say there is a reason that these types of dreams are obviously more... memorable and have more of an impact on us because they're so out of the ordinary. Is there a reason for that? Because everything you've said could be could come in the form of something that's I don't know a tuning fork, know, something that does could happen. Whereas these dreams are you make you pay attention as I say, make you wake up and pay attention. What's your sense of that?
Jane Teresa Anderson (46:48)
Yeah. Yes.
Yes. Yeah.
Yeah.
think two main things. One is it's more guttural. It's more sensual. So dreaming about a tuning fork might be a good clue, but dreaming the dream you have is deeply sensual. the dream is processing a sense of the sensual, a sense of connection that is difficult at the time of the dream to explain using words. It's more such.
tuning into something sensual. So your dream goes for that kind of sensual thing. And I think the other aspect of it is that wherever any of us are in life, when we do step past a previous limitation, that's magical. In 10 years time, you go, well, I'm over here. that's just all ordinary now. But the next one is magical, the next one is magical. So your dream will come up with that feeling of, I've just touched the possum.
limitless possibilities because I've just stepped over this line and I never thought I'd be here. So this is like so powerful, this is magical, this is a feeling, I can't put words on it. It's a deep, deep sense and then your dream is that you could say in many ways that these dreams are perhaps closer to the experience of our soul, that part of ourselves, that deep being, because it's the part of ourselves that isn't using words or consciousness to describe.
Lian (48:24)
Mmm.
Mmm.
Yeah, what would you, if that's your soul, how would you, this is perhaps a bit of a big question to end with. I'm aware of time, but I'm going to, I'm going to trust there's a reason I'm asking this just as we're about to end the show. What you just said there really makes sense in that the soul does speak in the way that you said, and also the soul is unlimited by the...
the ideas that we have is in this kind of human consciousness. So if that's coming from soul, how is that different to other dreams? Where are they coming from, if not the soul?
Jane Teresa Anderson (49:13)
Oh, your dreams are coming from everything. All your experiences of life, conscious and unconscious. So the moment you're saying my unconscious experiences, those are not only that you're unconsciously, you know, that you notice the fly flying behind you that you don't notice in everyday life, but your unconscious mind has gone, there's a fly buzzing behind me, which is boring, but your unconscious mind is also, no, that's right.
Lian (49:35)
Mmm. Yes. Yeah, your soul's not really that bothered about the fly.
Jane Teresa Anderson (49:41)
There's all this other wonderful stuff which is we're totally unconscious to, but it's still there
in our being. when we, mean, what it occurs to me to say, if life was deeply moving and incredibly magical every single second of every single day, we might call that boring. Cause yeah, being there, done that, being there, done that, being there, done that. So it's the great big changes.
Lian (50:07)
Hmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (50:10)
that we record as magical and maybe that's the kind of soul. don't even like putting words on things like soul or not soul as hard. So guess I'm really saying that those dreams are drawing on the deepest, by soul, the deepest, truest parts of ourselves that we have difficulty putting words on. And there are times in our life when we do make these great big changes, which
Lian (50:12)
Hmm.
Hmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (50:36)
we can only perceive as magical and amazing. And that is when we then perhaps get more in touch with that deeper and more magical and amazing, powerful parts of ourselves. And that's when we touch more that sense of our soul, that on a day-to-day basis, we think we are in touch with it, but not so much as we sometimes are when we make great big changes in our lives or when we shift those shifts that, you know, when you, this sounds a bit mundane to put it this way, but
Lian (51:00)
Mmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (51:06)
You know, when you're older, I'm quite old, that you can look back and you can see a continuous line. This has been me since I've now been born, but I don't necessarily relate to myself at different ages anymore because things have changed so much, how I see the world has changed so much. So there's kind of, a sense of, what you have brought with you with all of that is your soul.
There's a basic essence there that you increasingly get to
Lian (51:30)
Mmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (51:34)
experience. But it helps you to look back and say, those phases of my life, I still look back and I can laugh and have lovely memories or have bad memories. And I can say that that was me, that was me, that was me. But yeah, I can see why she did that or why she didn't do that. that doesn't feel like me anymore.
Lian (51:53)
Hmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (51:54)
And so maybe these dreams come up at those times when the shifts and changes, for example, you with this rebranding has touched something deeper that you didn't know what it was. So almost like this new calling or this deeper sense of self that is going to mean that as you go forward, you may or may not relate so much to the Lian of past decades. And that this whole
Lian (52:15)
Mmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (52:17)
branding thing, which may have occurred to you as a business thing, or I don't know what it occurred to you, was actually really just a kind of leading edge of a deeper readiness to contact, make contact with something so much deeper within yourself that you were ready to bring into your life. I've kind of gone a bit all over the place there, but do you kind of see what I'm trying to say?
Lian (52:39)
Mmm.
Yes, I do. feel like there's, again,there's so much here for me personally in what you're sharing. And so I'm going to trust it's useful for listeners too. But certainly for me, it's, I'm going to use the word resonate again, I recognise that there's a real resonance there. So thank you. Gosh, this has been another fabulous episode. I love everyone who gone. And again, I feel a little bit selfish in that we've spent so much on
Jane Teresa Anderson (52:50)
Yes
Lian (53:11)
me and my dream, but my hope is, is illuminating those themes in general for anyone having kind of, again, these sort of special power dreams or lucid
Jane Teresa Anderson (53:20)
Yes.
Lian (53:21)
this has been wonderful.
Jane Teresa Anderson (53:20)
Look, it was not selfish at all.
It was quite the opposite. You selflessly offered up the depths of your dreams and the depth of what's happening for you and opened up that vulnerability or whatever it is and shared it with everybody listening. So it was totally the opposite of selfish. You gave people a real window into you and your life. And you allowed me to step in and walk through that with you. And in doing that to help people listening to see some of the processes that we use.
Lian (53:51)
thank you. Thank you. Where can listeners find out more about you and the wonderful work you do? I'm sure they want to.
Jane Teresa Anderson (53:57)
You
Well, they're listeners, so if they like podcasts, start with a podcast. The podcast is called The Dream Show with Jane Teresa Anderson. And as I mentioned, it was actually somebody else that came up with that. The people that were doing the technical side at the time said, you should call this The Dream Show. And I think I shared last time, we've been going for 16 years, but this year, for anybody listening back to this,
Lian (54:08)
What a great name by the way. I don't know if said that last time. It's a great name.
Jane Teresa Anderson (54:27)
This is actually the beginning of 2026. And this year we decided to add in the video elements. So finally, I am now also doing, like we've got here, the full show on video on YouTube, which I didn't, thank you. It is a big shift and I didn't do it for the first 14 or 15 years because we always have anonymous, the format of the show was to have an anonymous guest anywhere in the world that bring a drip.
Lian (54:42)
well done, congratulations! It's a big shift isn't it?
Hmm.
Jane Teresa Anderson (54:57)
bought a dream, which we analyzed. And so I couldn't really put an anonymous person. The idea was to keep them anonymous so that they shared everything. But over the last year, I've been bringing in guests who are known people. So I can put this on YouTube now. So yeah, so you can listen or watch on Apple's Spotify, Apple and YouTube, the dream show with Jane Teresa Anderson. Or go to my website, which is janeteresa.com. And that's Teresa without an H, where you can find out.
Lian (55:03)
Yes.
Yeah.
Jane Teresa Anderson (55:26)
about my courses and about how to have a private consultation with me by Zoom, about my books, got loads of books and everything else at just Janeteresa.com. Thank you.
Lian (55:37)
Wonderful.
thank you so much this has been such a joy, it really has. Thank you.
Jane Teresa Anderson (55:44)
Thank you, Lian.
Lian (55:45)
What's another fascinating show, with Jane. Here are my favourite parts. A dream can present as conflict, but without fear when inner change is already underway, reflecting a mind that is reorganising rather than defending. A lucid moment in a dream can mirror a shift in waking awareness, revealing the edge between current belief and emerging expansion. When the dreaming mind pushes against limits of what feels or even is possible it often signals internal boundaries are being tested and updated. If you'd like to hop on over to the show notes for the links, they're at BeMythical.com/podcast/536
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